this has been discussed a bit before but its never had its own thread i dont think. ive always wondered about it. i know galactus doesnt really like magic because he doesnt understand it, and hes considered to be the embodyment of the power cosmic. are there any magic weilder out there who could take him on? the marvel universe seems to be based more on science than sourcery so i think the power cosmic is the way to go.
yeah, your the guy i just read talking about it in a different thread, so i wanted to see if any other people would actually discuss it and give some cool examples of fights between magic users and people who wield the power cosmic.
The Power Cosmic is a force that can alter reality, allowing the user to do whatever he/she wants (including breaking the laws of physics) only being limited by how much cosmic energy the character can tap at a time. It seems to be part of the universe itself, and is mostly used by Cosmic Entities.
Magic also appears to be like a form of energy, except that it can defy the laws of physics naturally. However, it does have rules of its own to follow, which vary with the method of invocation, usually in the form of spoken spells. It appears to be present in everything, even living beings. All humans in the Marvel Universe have the ability to use magic, but only if properly trained. Most people are unaware that magic actually works. In addition, powerful magical beings from other dimensions have created specific, extremely powerful magical spells that they allow to be used (often indiscriminately) by those sorcerers who invoke their names. Every 100 years, a contest is held to elect the Sorcerer Supreme, whose job is to keep the universe safe from magical menaces. The current Sorcerer Supreme is Doctor Strange.
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I always liked to think of "magic" as a force based on quantum mechanics, whereas cosmic power operates in a more classical fashion. Both can be utilized to achieve similar results; however, I would give the edge to magic because (based on how I'm defining it), it is not limited to the "common" physical laws.
BTW, isn't cosmic power/energy technically mostly protons and other subatomic particles moving close to lightspeed? Not that I wanna be a nit-picker here...
And what about psionics? Perhaps somewhere between the two? As much fun as discussing this stuff is, part of the problem lies in not knowing exactly what is meant when certain terms are used (ie, saying psionic is "mental" or "psychic" just skirts the issue).
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Last edited by Mindship on Sep 25th, 2005 at 09:00 PM
Magic exists outside of quantum mechanics otherwise it would be broken down and utilized by people like Reed Richards or Lex Luthor, who already understand quantum physics..
Maybe in DC but not in Marvel. The most powerful beings in Marvel, Phoenix and LT and the likes of the Infinites are all cosmic and would stomp any magic user.
Phoenix' original entry in Marvel Handbook said that she could generate any type of energy in any amount. I would assume that includes magic as well.
As far as the LT is concerned, I'm sure his power is both cosmic and magic. He interacts in dimensions that aren't bound by the laws of physics, dimensions where laws are based on magic instead.
So I think it all depends on where the user is, ie what type of dimension, what its fundamental laws are, etc.
If it's true that Galactus IS power cosmic, then Magic wins.
Characters like Living tribunal are in a class of their own and should control ALL energies.
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Magical is devoid of any scientific reason at all. It follows no rules but it's own. It's like comparing a pencil to a pen. They both can do many of the same things, but lead is a completely different thing then ink.
wrong as always tyrant....magic is energy but it vibrates and exists on higher levels .just like celestial tech....it follows principles but they are beyond our comprehension and non static.
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