RotJ Vader. Four hours of rest between each match. No preparation, setting is the Invisible Hand where Dooku lost his head. All his enemies are at their peak unless stated otherwise.
Lesse, Plagueis definitely beats him, but 3-6 all aren't very far apart in power and have their chance.
It's a case where he probably stops in that range, but it's rather hard to tell just which one. Might be Krayt. If he beats Krayt, he's likely to have taken damage and fall to Bane, but if he manages to beat Krayt without serious damage he may do the same to Bane, and so on.
Not saying he isn't powerful even as of DoE. Being lesser than Dooku doesn't indicate that, but, to be honest, Kas'im is rather featless and Zannah without her Sorcery isn't anything special.
It doesn't need to be a purely Force contest for Vader to beat TCW!Maul. It will need to be a purely sword contest for Vader to get "decisively stomped."
Historically, how often has OT Vader employed the force (offensively) while engaged in saber-to-saber combat with another force-wielding character? Is it 'in character' for him to do so? Because I know that he certainly didn't use the force to dominate Maul during their last 'all-out' battle . /shrug
Furthermore, we know superior saber skills can bridge substantial gaps in force power-- a fact Kas'im commented on quite plainly: "Someone well trained in lightsaber combat can defeat an opponent who is stronger in the Force."
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Vader has used the Force against Luke in TESB and against Roan Shryne in LOE. He isn't restricted to a repeat performance of his duel with Maul anymore than Sidious would be in a rematch with Mace.
Yes, as if force-throwing random shit toward Maul would be a sure-fire path to 'teh foarce pwnage viktorie!!'
Anyway, I guess I should have been more specific with my questioning. Let's try this again: What force-feats has OT Vader preformed in the midst of a saber battle, that lead us to the conclusion that he'd be able to best CW Maul in an 'all-out' setting? Using the force to tool ESB Luke(who was BARELY Padawan-level at the time) doesn't impress me in the slightest. I'm looking for pertinent feats.
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Well, he did use the force to fire blasters in his duel against Maul, but all it did was amuse him. Maul was clearly winning in the all out till his arrogance cost him.
Vader is no slouch in the slightest with sword, having beaten groups of Jedi masters at once.
I'd put him over TCW Maul.
Zannah's not as exceptional but she's no slouch even with blade.
Then there's Raskta Lsu. Raskta Lsu is reported to have killed as many Sith with her blade as the Thought Bomb killed, and Bane was able to stand up to that.
Personally I think it's just rating people from other eras lower because they're from other eras. I can't think of anything Dooku did that'd actually put him above them.
Apr 23rd, 2013 07:44 PM
