I'm just trying to decide who attacks first, Beta Ray Bill or Orion, and if lightning is used early on or pure physical force.
Also whether this is supposed to be 2010 Wonder Woman or DCnU.
If 2010 Wonder Woman, Diana rips the adamantium door of the jail cell off its hinges, expertly bends it around Thor, and uses it to hold him helplessly immobile while he asks, disbelieving, how any woman from ANY world could do that to him.
Beta Ray Bill is more of a problem.
From what I understand, he is far more prone to use his exotic powers versus simply brawling.
On the other hand, that might be a moot point.
In such a close quarters scenario, there's no such thing as Bill and Orion doing anything but going right for each other's throat, nearly desperate to lay hands on each other.
Diana can simply bide her time until the opportunity to capture Bill in the lasso presents, as, again, he'll be completely occupied with Orion.
No, it just depends on which Diana shows up for the fight.
DC is almost schizophrenic in its portrayals of her.
She goes through cycles where she can feasibly pull the moon by herself, and could certainly in that state bend primary adamantium; conversely she goes through stages where Deathstroke the Terminator, a Captain America level opponent, is presented as a legitimate challenge, and she must push herself to the limit to get past him. And, unfortunately, the latter is what most people think of when they think of Wonder Woman, doubtless due to her portrayal on the Lynda Carter show, even though that show is now nearly 40 years old, and that fight with Deathstroke roughly 20.
If even THAT weren't enough, Wonder Woman's major strength showings aren't featured in her own comics, they're featured in combined titles, usually as part of group efforts.
Even so, going by her average over the past decade, Diana has a greater strength rating than Thor. Combined with the fact that she has resistance to and some limited controls specifically over magic lightning, no, what I posited actually is a very real possibility.
I have seen nothing in the past 20 years to suggest to me that Thor can bend primary adamantium and challenge you to present to me a strength feat within the past 2 decades to prove, or even reasonably suggest, that he could.
First of all, she's never pulled the moon by herself and explicitly can't based on what we've seen. Not even Superman could for a large chunk of Post-Crisis DC. You just posted a cropped scan of her doing it with Kyle and Superman, so lost a lot of credibility there from the get go. Tempted to just ignore you and stop here if that's any indication of how this is gonna go.
She does not have a higher strength rating then Thor, lay off that crack cocaine brother.
Near the end of Gail's run Wonder Woman's gauntlets was able to randomly summon Zeus' lightning. I'm unclear how that will help her bend Adamantium around Thor while he just stands there apparently and watches.
And no, even if she was able to pull the moon solo (Definitely can't), that doesn't mean she can bend/break Adamantium.
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Never said she pulled the moon herself.
Stated she feasibly could.
Not basing it on the image posted a few moments ago.
Basing it on the following, and simple knowledge of how many times more massive planet Earth is than the Moon, how even a fifth of the Earth's weight is greater than that.
Metric: 73,476,730,924,573,500,000,000 kg
Scientific Notation: 7.3477 x 1022 kg
By Comparison: 0.0123 x Earth
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets...p;Display=Facts
Thor had the Odinforce for 12 years, making any of those feats invalid.
He had a span of 3-4 years where his own series was on hiatus due to 90s financial/creative mismanaging. Then you had a year of depoweringer added on top of that.
Which gives Thor a wholesome of 3 years worth of strengthfeats, the last 20 years. A pretty tall order considering that he normally wields a weapon in combat.
That's precisely why I went through the trouble of pulling NASA statistics.
Assuming equal strength would equate to each member pulling 1/3rd the Moon.
I assigned Diana 1/5th simply for the sake of argument.
Assume she is only pulling 1/10th the mass of the Earth there, with Superman and Martian doing 90 PERCENT of the work.
That 10% Diana is handling would then STILL be more than the mass of the Moon.
How low do you want to go with this?
I don't think you'll find this particular subargument winnable, Pym.
If you're allowing that trio moved the Earth, you've got to really, REALLY downgrade Diana's strength relative to J'onnz and Clark before you can say what Rage just said.
You make an interesting comment here without knowing it.
The original poster of this thread (at least as I am typing this, it may have changed even before I finish) has not yet specified whether this is 2010 Wonder Woman, or the DCnU version. If it IS the DCnU version, you should be aware that her origin has changed, that Diana is now the true daughter of Zeus through Zeus and her mom making out. You should also be aware that the gauntlets now reign in Diana's full power, and that when they are taken off, she gets a boost in physical strength.
Significantly, she last took off her bracelets to fight ... a pantheon god.
So, yeah, Zeus's power, magic lightning, gods, gauntlet channeling, all that ...
they can and HAVE added up to Diana displaying multiplied levels of physical strength.
But that's DCnU Wonder Woman, and Carver hasn't clarified if that's who he meant.
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