Wu Tang Presents: Superman vs. Batman - Chess Boxing
Superman has 'super intelligence' so all things being equal he "should" be smarter than Batman and able to out think him strategically. In application, that doesn't always work. For this thread (1st in a series) the stips are as follows:
-The fight takes place in a boxing ring under a red sun lamp. Superman doesn't have his super strength or invulnerability, but retains his intellect and super speed of thought.
-Batman and Superman will play a round of Chess for 3 minutes. After the 3 minute Chess round, they will fight each other for a 3 minute round. Unarmed combat, but anything goes (MMA).
-There will be 6 rounds of chess and 6 rounds of fighting.
-Victory can be achieved via knock out or Checkmate on the chess board.
Who wins the fight, and how (by knockout, or Checkmate)?
Since Superman retains his super perceptions, its almost like giving him precog. Every eyeball shift, every feint, every step, they'll all be in slow motion to be countered.
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And in the chess he'll have gone through every possible maneuver in a nanosecond.
There's what should happen if you try to reason this out logically, and then there's what would happen.
Logically, Clark can process millions of calculations per second. Logically, as Cosmic said, he should be able to react to Bruce's moves physically in a precog sort of way.
But...Batman would beat the shit out of him.
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What 'should' happen is a given, and inarguable. What 'would' happen is but mere conjecture. We have no way of knowing how a writer would play out this exact scenario in a comic. It depends on the writer's leanings and the particular story he's trying to tell.
But it doesn't seem impossible for me to imagine my scenario happening in a book, since writers at least KNOW that this is what logically should happen. We've seen Superman raise his awareness to match Flash and the world around them was frozen, afterall.
In short, books aren't reliable, much of the time. By his super perception attribute still being in play as per the op, Superman f*cks Batman's shit.
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In bleach someone gave another person super senses but without the body to maintain it... His body ended up with a sensory overload and every reaction was countered by the force of thought as to why the body couldn't move fast enough... Imagine sitting there for an hour to raise your arm an inch... And you had to sit there doing that just to move that arm... How mad insane would you get not being able to do anything. Forced to sit by waiting for your body to do what you want.
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Given the massive gap in speed and skill it shouldn't matter. For instance, even if I had the ability to perceive a bullet fired at me in super slow motion, I still wouldn't be fast enough to avoid it... the only benefit that ability would afford me would be an extended period to ponder the fact that I was about to get shot in my face. Superman vs Batman isn't as extreme obviously, but the results would be the same.
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It's not seed chess .... so batman just takes three minutes for each move and kicks Clark's ass in the ring.
As proved by Mr X when trying to fight quicksilver, it doesn't matter if you know exactly what the other guy is going to do if you're not physically fast enough to stop him from doing it.
Clark is not peak human. Beneath the red light he's a big, strong, healthy specimen of hardworking farmboy. That's not the same as spending most of your life honing your body to literally be all that you can. That doesn't entail the kind of conditioning that comes with working your way up from punching sand through punching gravel to punching cinder blocks.
Also, reflexes are not the biggest component of skill. Successfully capitalizing on your advantages your opponents deficiencies while preventing him from doing the same to you is what expertise is all about.
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I'm damn sure depowered Clark has beaten Kobra before in h2h. A villain that has given Bruce some trouble in that regard. Given Delph's stips, he's much more than peak human by virtue of his super perceptions being in-tact.
Going to quote myself for a second:
So in the end, all you gave me was an end-definition to skill that more or less matches my own. There is no contradiction.
Of that end definition, what contributes the most though? Reflexes do. If your reflexes are innately far superior to your opponent's, you have a big advantage. And their technical know-how and other attributes are going to have to be sufficiently better to compensate for just that one.
Clark is a skilled martial artist himself. He knows practical things like boxing, judo-like throws, as well as completely bullshit things like pressure points and all that shit. I would say Bruce is still greatly more experienced in this regard, however, Clark's perceptions are literally like trillions of times above his and that is the bigger factor.
Clark's body is not fast enough in this scenario to make movement speeds to match that perception speed, so he's not going to go flash on bruce, but he IS fast enough to counter and block whatever he sees coming from bruce at super slow motion.
Even without this perception speed, Clark would be able to dodge at least a couple of shots from Bruce. But with it? He shouldn't be getting hit at all.
Can we all just agree that batman clearly has some kind of meta ability that reduces his opponents durability, speed and strength to street level when he's in combat with them.
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