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Magneto vs. Yoda, Dooku, Palpatine, Obi Wan, Anakin and Darth Maul

The jedi/sith don't get lightsabers

Fight takes place in a parking lot the size of Rhode Island. At least 80,000 cars are parked in total.

Magneto begins at one end, while the jedi/sith begin at the other end. They are at least a couple miles apart.

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Jul 24th, 2014 05:22 PM

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You do realize that you couldn't have made a better scenario for Mags to win in, right?

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Jedi and Sith Slaughterhouse. Magneto dies hard.

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You do realize that you couldn't have made a better scenario for Mags to win in, right?

I would have thought the sheer advantage in numbers for the Jedi/Sith would somewhat mitigate Magneto's environment advantage.

Jul 24th, 2014 06:42 PM

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Jedi/Sith win.

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Jedi/Sith can just force choke him from a distance like Vader did to that admiral over the viewscreen. Of course, it depends on if they can do that before being bombarded with thousands of car parts flying at Mach 4.

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Jedi/Sith can just force choke him from a distance like Vader did to that admiral over the viewscreen. Of course, it depends on if they can do that before being bombarded with thousands of car parts flying at Mach 4.

They might be too busy defending themselves from a tornado of cars to focus on force choke.

Also, there are no screen feats that suggest jedi/sith can force choke someone without being able to physically see them.

Jul 24th, 2014 07:35 PM

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Force Users can (and have) used TK without looking at an object (or done so with their eyes closed) so...

Jul 24th, 2014 07:37 PM

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When has anyone been choked when out of line of sight?

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Viewing somebody on a screen is not physically seeing them. Physically seeing means seeing the physical object in person with your own eyes.

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When has anyone been choked when out of line of sight?

Choking is still TK. If they can use TK without seeing then logically they should be able to choke without seeing.

Plus, in RotS, Vader is crushing objects he isn't looking at....

Jul 24th, 2014 07:40 PM

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The sheer numbers tip the scale in force-users favor, even considering the environment.

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Choking is still TK. If they can use TK without seeing then logically they should be able to choke without seeing.

Plus, in RotS, Vader is crushing objects he isn't looking at....

Yeah, but jedi/sith have to be aware of an object to focus on in order to use tk. Jedi/sith need an approximate location to focus their force energies toward.

Otherwise, if you argue jedi/sith don't need to be aware of the relative position of a person - can a Jedi force choke someone from across the galaxy?

There's a no limits fallacy in your argument.

Jul 24th, 2014 08:21 PM

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Strawman bro. I never said that.

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Strawman bro. I never said that.

There are no screen feats that suggest the jedi/sith would be able to sense the approximate location of Magneto and choke him from miles away.

Jul 24th, 2014 08:25 PM

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Who said that they would? Lestov said "from a distance" not "miles away".

And I certainly never claimed that. But Jedi can sense and communicate with others from very long distances.

Jul 24th, 2014 08:32 PM

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Magneto knows where they all are thanks to feeling the metal of their light sabers and whatever they may be wearing. He crushes them all instantly with every car near to them. Even their force choke, if they can even do it from that far, wont take him out quick enough to save them. They're screwed.

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Who said that they would? Lestov said "from a distance" not "miles away".

And I certainly never claimed that. But Jedi can sense and communicate with others from very long distances.

OK. So force choke and TK are out, considering the distance would be too vast.

And I certainly remember jedi/sith sensing other jedi/sith. I don't remember jedi/sith sensing particular human beings though. Other than Obi Wan sensing a disturbance in the force when Leia's home planet was destroyed.

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OK. So force choke and TK are out, considering the distance would be too vast.

And I certainly remember jedi/sith sensing other jedi/sith. I don't remember jedi/sith sensing particular human beings though. Other than Obi Wan sensing a disturbance in the force when Leia's home planet was destroyed.

Uh, why are they "out". Vader chocked a man from miles away. All they have to do is sense them.

Of course they can. They can sense lasers, rocks, etc... They most certainly can sense non-force sensitive humans. Now what range they have with this... Who knows.

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Uh, why are they "out". Vader chocked a man from miles away. All they have to do is sense them.

Of course they can. They can sense lasers, rocks, etc... They most certainly can sense non-force sensitive humans. Now what range they have with this... Who knows.

When did Vader choke someone from miles away?

Once again, you can't argue range without falling into the same "no limits fallacy" trap.

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