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The Galactic Empire vs Vitiates Sith Empire
Just so this doesn't become a "Sidious swallows Vitiates fleets whole, oh yea well Vitiate Force drains the galaxy." kind of debate I am saying that Lord Vitiate and Sidious can command their armies but cannot participate.
The numbers are not clear but the Sith Empire has a huge advantage in force usage. That would make up for the size difference. However, due to superior numbers and intelligence and more advanced technology, GE should still win.
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GE, while the SE has a ton of Sith, they seem to have a god complex and run straight into a hail of blasterfire as shown in Hope where they literally just charged right into it, one even got a blaster rifle stock TO THE FACE!
Plus the Sith is really the only advantage, everything else the GE has better. Plus they also have their own stuff for fighting Force Users anyway.
Well, the Galactic Empire has a lot more military forces, but only a handful of force users.
Which is a fairly big liability, as force users are good at decapitation attacks, hitting vital targets, etc.. That actually does give the Vitiate Empire some chance.
The GE's best tactic is probably going to be to have Vader go in and convince a buncha TOR Sith to defect and join him. Vader's stronger than most TOR Sith, so he should be able to manage that. If he can convince a few dark councilors, and thus their followers, to join, that'd be ideal... even if the long-game is to get rid of them again.
If the sith equation is even temporarily held off, the GE wins. If the Sith get to a lot of the GE's admirals and moffs, then despite it's superior military it could have trouble.
Vader can't convince TOR Sith to convert. They're terrified of Vitiate and Vader's just not going to make a strong enough impression to outweigh that. Especially when the Sith Empire does have people on Vader's level. So 1 strong guy isn't going to sway people when theres a few on their side as strong as him already.
I also doubt many Sith would convert for simply social reasons. In Vitiate's Empire they're supreme and the Empire bows to their needs. They won't give that up to be an mere imperial lapdog in Sidious' empire.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Feb 27th, 2015 at 12:04 AM
Several thousand years of technological advancements + a Navy big enough to make the Vong shit their pants= a Galactic Empire stomp.
Super-weapons and force users on either side don't even factor in.
EDIT- That said I don't actually know if the military of the OT's time is that much more technologically advanced then the militaries of the Old Republic. Because the EU has been horribly mismanaged by shit-tier writers, it's very likely that technology has basically stagnated over the course of thousands of years to the point where a Warship made in like 10 million ABY is comparable to one built during the time of the GE.
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Last edited by Tzeentch on Feb 27th, 2015 at 12:14 AM
It doesn't really matter, besides the average Sith isn't some uber being anyway. So the SE having a ton of Sith...doesn't really matter. The ones that do matter however, are the noted ones, the ones that are nameless just seem to be the ones used as foot troopers in conjunction with Sith Troopers to have both a range and melee force.
Fine and dandy, but the GE has better troops anyway. Plus it's not like the GE don't have their own Force Users anyway, it may not be in abundance in comparison to the SE Sith.
But they still have the Inquisitors, Shadow Troopers, the Sovereign Royal Guards and so on. Plus they also have Dark Troopers, Royal Guards and the like, that could take on the nameless Sith guys too.
Ontop of the other things the GE has....it's all just better.
In certain situations the Empire would indeed have trouble, no doubt. But on paper, they just have overwhelming advantages that the occasional defeat would in no way alter the inevitable outcome. They're a lot bigger, a lot stronger, and more capable than the Sith.
The SE isn't bigger, the GE also has an abundance of infantry and vehicles and so forth.
Plus the only reason Luke even destroyed the DS, was because Han came in at the last minute and saved him. Red Squadron was completely wrecked, Gold Squadron destroyed, the Rebels won due to Han growing a conscious and making friends other than Chewie.
That actually hurts your argument more than helps it, as it's worth noting that immediately after destroying said super-weapon, he and his band of Rebels had to run for their lives (vacating Yavin) because they had zero chance of defeating the rest of the Imperial Fleet once it came for them in an open engagement.
Thus emphasizing the point about super-weapons and individual badasses not compensating for sheer technological and logistical superiority.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Yea, but it's not so much defeats that'd be the problem. It'd be more, like, Sith 'convincing' admirals to take their forces and swap sides and so on. Like how in the Clone Wars, Dooku and Asajj spent a lot of time personally intimidating worlds into joining.
The GE does have a small number people that are either force users or can take them on, enough to protect against the small number of Jedi/Sith level threats in their time, but the number of Sith could be a real problem.
Though again, Vader and his best dark adepts and such only need to do something to hold the situation for a bit, and I could see him convincing a number of Sith to join the Empire. If they're willing to do such a tactic.
Feb 26th, 2015 04:17 PM
