1) Not sure if he can harm Thing (well he's not exactly a glass cannon), though Thing can't blitz and Shaw can likely absorb him so, stalemate
2) Same as above
3) Dunno
4) Don't remember Banshee, though he should be able to beat the first 2
5) Unsure because I'm not sure of Johnny's energy generation capability (he can generate supernova heat, though in what quantity?)
6) Dunno
7) Speedblitz
8) Dunno, can't remember how much energy Shaw can absorb exactly
9) Same as Thor
10) lol
11) Dunno
12) Dies
13) Dies, badly
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- One supernova produces about as much energy as the sun does in its entire lifetime of 10 billion years (don't forget that sun outputs the equivalent energy of a hundred billion megaton nukes every second!). The energy released in a supernova is on the order or 10^44 Joules.
- The energy released by an one-megaton nuclear weapon is on the order of 4 × 10^15 Joules. The largest nuke ever detonated (the Tsar Bomba) had a yield of about 50 megatons or 2 × 10^17 Joules.
It would take 10^44 / 10^17 = 10^27 of the largest nukes ever build to match the energy output of a supernova. That is a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times the biggest bomb ever build!
You do realize Johnny never produced the sort of "supernova" that you just googled?
He reached (close to) the temperature of the Sun, that is all. That does not mean he has the same energy output. You looked all that up, but somehow missed the simple fact that a supernova is an explosion. The "supernova" Johnny performed has nothing in common with a star explosion except in name.
Susan Storm: You were at 4,000 degrees Kelvin! You were approaching Super-Nova!
Johnny Storm: Sweet!
Susan Storm: No, not "sweet"! That's the heat of the sun!
Sorry Susan (SS), a supernova is an explosion/event, not a temperature. Nor does reaching 4000K means it result in an explosion. Even if it did, it still does not make it a "Super-Nova".
She is also wrong about the temperature of the Sun. And if you argue she meant 4000K = Heat of Sun = Heat of Supernova, that is also an epic fail. The heat of a supernova is 100,000,000,000 K - much hotter than the Sun. Something makes me think she didn't get her position because of merit.
Reed Richards: You could kill yourself, other people, and burn up the atmosphere, ending all human life as we know it.
Johnny Storm: Got it. Super-Nova bad.
Reed is also wrong. Not technically wrong, but one can easily infer from his gross understatement. A supernova would easily destroy the entire Solar System. To mention that it would burn up the atmosphere is completely moot and indicates his ignorance. Now could reaching sufficiently high temperate (4-5000K) affect the atmosphere on a global level? I don't know, but still would not make it a supernova. Its the same thing as saying "Johnny you are getting so hot you are approaching a nuclear explosion!" Yea...not exactly.
Finally there is also common sense, that would suggest the Human Torch doesn't have the power to destroy the Solar System (at a minimum), nor does Susan have the power to contain one (FACT - she struggled with forces astronomically weaker).
Shaw absorbs everything Torch can throw at him.
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I think he stops at Supeman or Hancock. Once they beat on him, use heat vision, tornadoes, etc... and realize not only is he not hurt, but he's strong enough to hit them and they feel it? Or he can now shoot lasers or however his energy manipulation trick with Havok/Darwin worked, then the could easily fly him into space. If they don't figure that out though, then yeah he takes it.
What's stopping Abomination, Thor, Hulk, Kurse, Hancock or any of the Kyrptonians from placing their hands over Shaw's nose and mouth until he just passes away? EDIT: Or at least passes out?
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