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Luke Cage vs. Classic Rogue

Rogue can't use absorption.


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Classic Rogue.

Just as strong and durable PLUS flight.


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yeah i'd say rogue too...she's a tough phukcer. cage could take some under these rules though imo.


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Originally posted by zopzop
Classic Rogue.

Just as strong and durable PLUS flight.


This. I think Rogue is stronger and more durable than Cage though but you're right on.


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Handbooks were never 100% accurate, but damn, Cage sure got a huge upgrade in the last decade.

"Class 20". Yeah, right.


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Are we using Classic Disco Luke Cage/Power Man or more Shaved Head with a goatee looks like Sam Jackson/Nick Fury Black Guy?


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The latter.


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Isn't Luke a better fighter than rogue?


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yeah, but it'd still be a brawl and she'd be considerably faster than he is as well.


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Not saying he wins, but he's held up against considerably faster and far stronger opponents than her.


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Has Luke fair any better against Ms. Marvel? Rogue should be about that strong.


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yeah


Hasn't Rogue been trained by Raven...?

And even if not, she's been in countless Danger Room scenarios. X-Men easily offer the best training in Marvel, superior to those of Iron Man simulations, F4 or Avengers.


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Hasn't Rogue been trained by Raven...?

And even if not, she's been in countless Danger Room scenarios. X-Men easily offer the best training in Marvel, superior to those of Iron Man simulations, F4 or Avengers.
do you consider the x-men training to be better than training with iron fist, the heroes for hire, the thunderbolts, and the avengers?


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do you consider the x-men training to be better than training with iron fist, the heroes for hire, the thunderbolts, and the avengers?


Yes.

Thunderbolts didn't offer any training, Luke was trying to lead the team of psychopaths, murderers and mentally ill guys.

New Avengers. Cage was seen sitting on a couch with Wolverine, drinking as many beers as possible before passing out.

The only training worth mentioning is Iron Fist's -- and it's still not that much, seeing as Daniel only sparred with him, but made sure not to teach Luke anything actually useful. Like the basics of K'un Lun arts.

And he refused to do that because secretly he hates black people. Marvel has a lot of explaining to do, lol.


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meh, i think the 'skills' are basically a wash, but i've never seen rogue ever exhibit any specific h2h skills. i think cage has a couple of decent ones. skill would certainly not be the deciding factor imo. rogue's flight and speed would be bigger determinants, and i think she has an edge in strength. he probably has the durability edge and they're both tough as nails. it's close, certainly no one is sweeping. i'd take rogue maybe 6-7/10


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Rogue actually fared well with absorption touch as her only power in a large chunk of her career. That does require some serious skill.

Cage's best skill feat is beating a "shark-killer"-something z-lister villain who appeared only to make him look good stick out tongue "I know some ninja shit". Terrible book.


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meh, i think the 'skills' are basically a wash, but i've never seen rogue ever exhibit any specific h2h skills. i think cage has a couple of decent ones. skill would certainly not be the deciding factor imo. rogue's flight and speed would be bigger determinants, and i think she has an edge in strength. he probably has the durability edge and they're both tough as nails. it's close, certainly no one is sweeping. i'd take rogue maybe 6-7/10


Other than reckoning strength a match, I agree with this. Rogue wins. Poor Luke, what brick can he actually beat?

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Other than reckoning strength a match, I agree with this. Rogue wins. Poor Luke, what brick can he actually beat?
In a forum fight or on panel? He usually fights a tier or two out of his weight class. Back when he was just a three tonner, he was evenly fighting characters like iron man, the rhino, the living monolith, warhawk, the thing, etc. When he became a 15 tonner, he was going up against wonder man, rhino, ironclad, tombstone, and even the hulk. Now that he's supposed to be a 20 tonner, he's evenly matching she hulk, proxima midnight, namor, etc.


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meh, i think the 'skills' are basically a wash, but i've never seen rogue ever exhibit any specific h2h skills. i think cage has a couple of decent ones. skill would certainly not be the deciding factor imo. rogue's flight and speed would be bigger determinants, and i think she has an edge in strength. he probably has the durability edge and they're both tough as nails. it's close, certainly no one is sweeping. i'd take rogue maybe 6-7/10
I'm actually wondering, how fast is rogue and what are her best durability feats?
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Yes.

The only training worth mentioning is Iron Fist's -- and it's still not that much, seeing as Daniel only sparred with him, but made sure not to teach Luke anything actually useful. Like the basics of K'un Lun arts.

And he refused to do that because secretly he hates black people. Marvel has a lot of explaining to do, lol.

Are you referring to this? Where Danny is starting out by teaching cage moves that will and have helped him fight outside of his weight class?


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In a forum fight or on panel? He usually fights a tier or two out of his weight class. Back when he was just a three tonner, he was evenly fighting characters like iron man, the rhino, the living monolith, warhawk, the thing, etc. When he became a 15 tonner, he was going up against wonder man, rhino, ironclad, tombstone, and even the hulk. Now that he's supposed to be a 20 tonner, he's evenly matching she hulk, proxima midnight, namor, etc.


In a forum fight I guess. On panel he's had some impressive KOs, maybe too impressive for an alleged 20 tonner. I like the premise - streetfighting skills + insane durability means he can hang with and maybe wear down stronger opposition but then he one-shots e.g Ironclad? Or there was a Thunderbolts issue where he's with Doc Strange and up against some giant stone creature and dusts it with a punch (way too lazy to find the issue!). I don't think he's class 20 at all but still going with Classic Rogue for being consistently awesome.

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