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Can Talzin do to Palpatine what she did to Dooku?
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Jaggarath
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Can Talzin do to Palpatine what she did to Dooku?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5DuhNdWN0&t=5m52s

Assuming she has a strand of Palpatine's hair.

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Lord Stark
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I'm gonna say no. Sidious, who is likely a superior sorcerer was unable to kill Yoda with a Sith ritual even with Dooku and Yoda being on Korriban. Yoda and Sidious are virtually equals so I don't see a Talzin ritual killing him.

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Doubt it.

But this is one of those instances where there really isn't proof either way.

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Doubt it.

But this is one of those instances where there really isn't proof either way.

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Yes. There's no way to say Sidious has defenses against this. He's better than Dooku is but he isn't immune unless there's proof he is.

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Only if Talzin is laughably stupid. She was Palpatine's shadow hand, presumably for years, and yet she still only prepares this tactic for small fry like Dooku?

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If she could, she would've done it.

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If she could, she would've done it.

Did she have a hair of his ? Also incredibly faulty logic.

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Did she have a hair of his ? Also incredibly faulty logic.

Don't recall how she got Dooku's hair tbh. Also lol @ you criticizing other people's logics.

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Don't recall how she got Dooku's hair tbh. Also lol @ you criticizing other people's logics.

When I see bad logic I call people on it. No reason to assume it wouldn't work on Sidious.

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Doubt it.

But this is one of those instances where there really isn't proof either way.

Yeah there is. If Sidious and Dooku couldn't kill Yoda whilst utilizing a powerful Dark Side Nexus, why in the hell would Talzin be able to kill Sidious with one?

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Were they trying to kill him?

I thought they were just trying to break his will.

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They were trying to break him. Palpatine makes that intention clear after they fail.

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Yeah there is. If Sidious and Dooku couldn't kill Yoda whilst utilizing a powerful Dark Side Nexus, why in the hell would Talzin be able to kill Sidious with one?

They were not trying to kill him. Talk about comprehension fail. laughing out loud

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They were trying to break him. Palpatine makes that intention clear after they fail.

Correct.

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I think it would work initially on Palpatine, but due to his vast knowledge of the dark side and arcane rituals, he might be able to negate or even reverse it.

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Darth Thor
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Palpatine might know a counter ritual, but there's no evidence of that tbh. After all he didn't know a counter ritual to get Talzin out of Dooku's body.

But I'm sure Palpatine's studies with Talzin made him careful enough not to let her get a piece of his hair in the first place.

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Lord Stark
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Were they trying to kill him?

I thought they were just trying to break his will.

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They were not trying to kill him. Talk about comprehension fail.

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Correct.

Are we watching the same series? This is Star Wars, people die from losing the will to live.

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Are we watching the same series? This is Star Wars, people die from losing the will to live.

Then back up this claim. Breaking someone's will isn't killing them. You aren't to be trusted with comprehension.

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Lord Stark
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Then back up this claim. Breaking someone's will isn't killing them. You aren't to be trusted with comprehension.

Did you miss Padme dying with excellent health in a room full of medical equipment? You know the entire end plot of Revenge of the Sith? She literally died of a broken will.

Why did you think they were trying to break his will lol so that way Bane's Ghost could have his way with him? Use your deductive skills, they rarely even say the word kill on TCWs because its a children's show.

Also just to shut you up even further:

"I sense we have a great opportunity to strike a deadly blow to the Jedi Order. But we must act swiftly"- Lord Sidious upon Dooku's arrival to Coruscant.

Deadly: causing or able to cause death.

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