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wakkawakkawakka
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Black Widow vs Speedy/Arsenal

Not sure how these fights would turn out between the Arrow partners and the Avenger.

Round 1: H2H
Round 2: Standard load out(AoU weapons for Widow)

Both rounds take place on the freeway during the Winter Soldier fight. Who will win?

Dec 11th, 2015 07:37 AM

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BW beats the crap out of either of these kids. But together they can actually win.

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BW beats the crap out of both of these kids together.

Arrow brats may have a better chance in Round 2. But then Widow probably just puts a bullet in their heads asap.

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I agree that individually they don't stand much of a chance which is why I put them together.

Dec 11th, 2015 08:33 AM

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Together they kick her ass in a fistfight; take your MCU rose tinted glasses off and realize the truth here fanboys, she's only human and hasn't been portrayed as higher level than that in the films at all.

That being said shed kill them both in the second round. She has guns. Don't bring arrows to a gunfight.

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Together they kick her ass in a fistfight; take your MCU rose tinted glasses off and realize the truth here fanboys, she's only human and hasn't been portrayed as higher level than that in the films at all.

So all humans are at the same level then?

What a baseless "fanboy" insult.

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Arrow team has far more h2h feats to pull from. BW doesn't have enough h2h feats to prove she can beat both of them.

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Arrow team has far more h2h feats to pull from. BW doesn't have enough h2h feats to prove she can beat both of them.

Yes they do, but they are all sub par, especially Thea. Fight choreography for them is lame.

Only the big boys have the respectable feats.

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Yes they do, but they are all sub par, especially Thea. Fight choreography for them is lame.

Only the big boys have the respectable feats.

Fight choreography is lame but that doesn't make their feats any less impressive. What has BW done that makes you put her on a higher scale than these 2?

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Be that as it may BW's best H2H feat is beating Hawkeye: though I'm not sure how impressive that is in the grand scheme of things.

While I do think Widow has the advantage in Round 2 I wouldn't say its solely because she has guns.

Dec 11th, 2015 04:09 PM

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Widow (CA:WS) dispatched goons faster and with more ease than anyone in Arrow would have outside Ra's, Ollie & Malcolm.

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Widow takes both rounds.

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Widow (CA:WS) dispatched goons faster and with more ease than anyone in Arrow would have outside Ra's, Ollie & Malcolm.

Lame Arrow choreography aside, the issue with Widow is that she's only really fought mooks and she has two above mook level opponents.

On a slightly unrelated note, it occurs to me that May/Ward have better combat feats as of this point.

Dec 11th, 2015 04:40 PM

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Lame Arrow choreography aside, the issue with Widow is that she's only really fought mooks and she has two above mook level opponents.

On a slightly unrelated note, it occurs to me that May/Ward have better combat feats as of this point.

While Widow hasn't had many "named" fights, what we've seen even against mooks has her out-performing the Arrow kids, imo.

Both may and Ward have been stated as below Widow, though.

Dec 11th, 2015 04:50 PM

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Widow (CA:WS) dispatched goons faster and with more ease than anyone in Arrow would have outside Ra's, Ollie & Malcolm.

Eh? Team Arrow dispatches gangs of goons pretty much every episode. It's pretty common for Thea and Roy to trample 3-5 goons at the same time on a regular basis. Thea easily killed 2 LOS assassins when they surprised her while she was sleeping.

I'm not saying they're better than BW, but nothing BW has done convinces me that she's better either. So right now it's 1 skilled fighter vs. 2 skilled fighters... and obviously she's outnumbered.

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While Widow hasn't had many "named" fights, what we've seen even against mooks has her out-performing the Arrow kids, imo.

Both may and Ward have been stated as below Widow, though.

Both May and Ward have been stated below Widow when it comes to agent status. They've never been mentioned to be inferior fighters. As of right now, basing on feats, May and Ward are above Black Widow in terms of h2h fights.

So what exactly has Widow done against mooks that outshines what the arrow kids have done against mooks?

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Both May and Ward have been stated below Widow when it comes to agent status. They've never been mentioned to be inferior fighters. As of right now, basing on feats, May and Ward are above Black Widow in terms of h2h fights.

So what exactly has Widow done against mooks that outshines what the arrow kids have done against mooks?

She took on a lot more than just mooks, unlike those two.

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Together they kick her ass in a fistfight; take your MCU rose tinted glasses off and realize the truth here fanboys, she's only human and hasn't been portrayed as higher level than that in the films at all.

Yeah, not like she was killing super advanced and strong aliens left and right in Avengers.

Didn't she also last a good while against WS?

Speedy and Aresenal are speedbumps to her. She runs them both over with minimal effort.

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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Lame Arrow choreography aside, the issue with Widow is that she's only really fought mooks and she has two above mook level opponents.

On a slightly unrelated note, it occurs to me that May/Ward have better combat feats as of this point.

the non-mooks that the Crimson archers have fought destroyed them... Not sure your point.

Also as said, Widow > May > Ward has been shown stated.
Bucky would stomp out everyone in the arrowverse outside Damien.

Dec 11th, 2015 05:20 PM

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I'm still waiting for people to mention actual feats of BW that put her above Speedy and Arsenal. Right now all I hear is people saying she's better but not really giving proof.

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She took on a lot more than just mooks, unlike those two.

Yeah, not like she was killing super advanced and strong aliens left and right in Avengers.

Didn't she also last a good while against WS?

Speedy and Aresenal are speedbumps to her. She runs them both over with minimal effort.

Yeah, like who?

Super advanced and strong aliens that were completely featless? Aliens that server as fodder? You'll have to prove those aliens were any better than the average mook they face.

BW didn't last good against WS. She only lasted as long as she did because she took him by surprise.

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