Matt was catching arrows and flipping through ninja stars at multiple points, not to mention his ridiculous damage soak.That makes Olivers arrows basically useless against him.
Despite that, Oliver has taken out people like Deathstroke and Ras. He's too far into his show and has racked up some pretty crazy feats. He takes this, with a struggle.
Good match. After season 1 I would have said Ollie hands down, but Matt is a lot more capable and formidable this season. He's just looked a hell of a lot more impressive and consistent across the board, but especially his striking power. In season 1, he sometimes had issues putting fodder down, and would need to beat on them for a minute or two to succeed. In contrast, there were numerous instances this season where he flat out one/two-shotted even armed and geared up opponents, and took out groups of enemies in moments, all while dodging arrows, shurikens, avoiding gunfire etc. Actually very Arrow-like in his portrayal to be honest.
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Matt certainly makes him work for it but I think Oliver can take this mostly due to quantity that he has to pull from in his show. Also Oliver has done pretty much everything Matt has in season 2 even though he does have his fair share of low showings throughout the series. Should still be a good fight if its just h2h though with Matt's upgrade he could probably take out most of the Arrow cast and might even give Ra's trouble.
On paper I'd say DD. But after seeing Daredevil's fights with Punisher(4 episodes in atm), I think Arrow might take it. Would be an intense fight either way though.
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I feel somewhat biased because I'm just recently catching up to S2 of Daredevil whereas I pretty much gave up on the latest season of Arrow. Plus the fight choreography in Arrow has downgraded so much these last 2 seasons.
Despite that, I still give Oliver the win (especially if we remember how he fights in S1 and 2 of Arrow). Though both of them are quite agile, Oliver seems to hit harder. To be honest, Matt hits almost like a lightweight, completely non-proportionate to his body size.
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This is H2H, though, so it's Ollie without his bow. He seems to be relying on his bow a lot in his combat, so I think Matt will take him. When Matt is really angry, he's a beast in H2H.
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Based on what I saw, Ollie couldn't take Nobu, never mind Matt, who now has extra punching power thanks to his new gloves and had no problem one-shotting guys in the new season. And Ollie doesn't have close to the durability that Matt has proven to have.
Nobu stomped the hell out of Matt both times they fought too. Even harder the second time.
And Ollie has some beast damage tank too. The dude has taken hits from legitimate super powered beings at this point, like Solomon Grundy who uppercut him hard enough to send him 30 feet up into the ceiling and then slammed him again when he came down into a wall, and then later punched him out of a moving truck so hard the entire door ripped off as Ollie went through it. Hits like these would likely kill Murdock.
Matts punching power hasn't been impressive either. He hasn't been one shotting dudes. I've seen him peppering normal guys with hits only for them to keep coming. Hits like that wont take down Ollie easily.
I like Daredevil more as a hero than GA, and the show is a thousand times better, so believe me when I say there's no bias in my claims that DD just cant take Arrow. Yet.
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Well, unless otherwise stated I am assuming the OP wanted them to fight in their standard outfits, which Matt specifically geared out for H2H and Ollie didn't. Which already gives the advantage to Matt, since he specialises in H2H.
And Matt has no problem one-shotting regular street-levellers, which he proved time and again on-screen, especially in the first few episodes from S2. Most of his fights in S2 takes place against ninjas from The Hand, though, who nobody can accuse of being normal street thugs.
I haven't seen Ollie fight without using his bow as a weapon in quite a while, which is why I have my doubts about him being able to stand against Matt in H2H. And I would argue Matt surviving a point-blank shot to the head trumps pretty much any durability feat of Ollie's (yes, thanks to his armour, which again was specifically designed for these kinds of fights).
And he didn't seem to have any problem with Nobu when [SPOILER - highlight to read]: he thought Nobu had killed Elektra.
His helmet has both armor and padding on the inside. Taking the bullet isn't very impressive. Plus, its not like he tanked it. It took him out and it took him a while to recover.
Before that, Punisher took him out in 4 hits and ran off. He could have finished him if he wanted. He has great damage soak, but not anywhere near Oliver's level.
I'm not talking about the Hand. Maybe there are a few guys he one shotted, but there were multiple instances of him taking 3+ hits to take out a goon. I remember seeing this a few times in his stairwell fight. Matt also struggled with just one Hand member. Ollie has fought multiple League of Assassins at the same time, which is insane when you contrast it with how much he struggled with one in the first season.
I haven't seen his second fight with Nobu yet, so I cant speak on it just yet. Its possible there are extenuating circumstances. Still 1/3 isn't a great showing. For a dude with armor, he struggles a lot against unarmored opponents, which means that those opponents are on his level through nothing but skill and strength.
Just pointing out that the people claiming Matt never one-shotted anyone in season 2 are not being very truthful. He did it on multiple occasions actually, even KOing one with a single punch to the jaw while out of uniform, in the bathroom, when he and Elektra were infiltrating that one building. And that is ignoring the fact that even the thugs in DD usually display better damage soak than the fodder on Arrow. I have seen LoS members get "KO'd" by Ollie tripping them on their ass, or after barely getting clipped by the edge of his bow.
Also, people need to finish watching all the episodes before commenting on Matt/Frank and Matt/Nobu. Considering, [SPOILER - highlight to read]: when push comes to shove, and there are no external factors or weapons, Matt knocked Frank on his ass and told him to stay down, despite not wanting to actually fight him. And while neither was in 100% shape, neither was seriously injured either. And of course a bloodlusted Matt kicking Nobu's ass and tossing him off a roof.
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