Which works both ways if you're going to argue that Valkorion will just snipe Luke from across the planet. Luke can do that back too, so it just circles back to the question of which is more powerful, which you know I answer to be Luke.
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Eh ok, by pointing out that tactic on Valkorion's part, you presumably thought it heightened his odds of success.
My case for Luke is that he has vastly superior combat feats, particularly when we remove nexuses from Valkorion's reach, and that powerscaling puts him above Palpatine and to a level of actualized Force potential never seen before. Probably the big ones for Luke
- Pinning Caedus to his chair
- That massive Vader fortress feat
- Black hole manipulation
- Resisting UnuThul's TK
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It's Force only, but I assume you're referring to his using the saber for defensive purposes? That would only matter against Valkorion's lightning, and if he teleports away he probably can't use it to any meaningful level anyway.
I think Ziost was done on a nexus, while harnessing from the energies of the populace, and over a long period of time. It's also reasonable to think that it involved a ritual like what we saw on Nathema, given their similarities.
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I never saw it was Force only. My apologies. Ignore what I said earlier, then.
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As we've discussed before, I believe the nexus and the populace simply brought Vitiate back to a base level, and the end product was the creation of Valkorion.
I don't see any indication it took a long period of time or it consisted of a ritual, since the destruction of Ziost wasn't at all like what occurred on Nathema.
I'm not sure a Sith spirit can even perform a ritual, actually.
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That's possible, though it would beg the question of why Vitiate didn't just do this earlier. Well, I guess any interpretation would beg that question.
It's tough to tell whether his being weakened was more severe than the amp he got from the nexus and the populace. I don't think you can use it to justify Vitiate's power if you can't establish that he wasn't being amped over his base form.
There may have been some differences, but the overall result was incredibly similar (as was his mentally dominating a bunch of people and consuming their energies), and so it would be a stretch in my opinion to just assume that he did it on his raw power this time. I think it's pretty reasonable to see someone doing a similar thing twice, and guessing that they used a similar method.
I don't see why not.
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Luke wins the initial fight BARELY, but based on "Visions in the Dark"; Valkorion can come back as a spirit and use at least a large portion of his power for combat. So spirit Valk could potentially show up and kill Luke.
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And then Luke uses mindwalking to punch a hole through Valk's spirit's chest.
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Yes, the fact that Luke and Taalon know the mindwalking ability is perfect for me, because they are the only two Jedi/Sith beings I put above Sidious and Valkorion, so the argument that their opponent can't destroy their spirits after their physical bodies are killed falls flat with Luke and Taalon.
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How is Taalon above Valk and Sidious? Is he equal to Luke or something? I know he either drank from the font ot bathed in the pool, can't remember which.
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