Drain Abeloth and Luke, punch holes through Abeloth, tank one of Abeloth's force waves alongside Luke, be implied as Luke's equal/opposite on the Throne of Balance, be far more powerful than the likes of Wyyrlok in lightning and telekinesis prior to being Reborn, Dark Tranfer, etc.
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I don't think he's implied to be as powerful as Luke, and IIRC Luke was doing most of the work, but yeah I think his Force feats are more impressive than Caedus's.
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Well, not only did he drain Abeloth, but he was tanking her ridiculously chaotic and corrosive energies in the process. The dude's insanely strong in the force and a goddamn tank to boot.
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In the Force, Plagueis's feats, accolades and cosmological importance/threat are the greatest. This guy can not only vaporize squads of armored soldiers with uncharged telekinesis, but literally threatened and unbalanced the Force itself. Krayt comes next from all the things you mentioned. Caedus/novel Vitiate is unclear, with Caedus competing mainly through powerscaling. Kun comes last as he's implied along with the other ancients to be weaker than Vitiate.
In sabers, Plagueis was a match for TPM Sidious, whereas Caedus injured Luke; it's a wash between them. Krayt comes next as he's probably above Kun through his massive advantage in the Force. Vitiate is obviously last.
In all-out, Plagueis wins if you add everything up, Krayt vs. Caedus is probably a toss-up, Vitiate comes next through his lack of melee feats but still overtakes Kun via his sheer power.
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I'm not sure Plagueis's Maladian feat is up to snuff with punching holes through Abeloth, draining/tanking Abeloth's corrosive energies, tanking one of Abeloth's force waves, draining Luke, etc.
In terms of implication, Krayt had a force presence akin to Darth Vader, who in turn was sensed as far more powerful than Kar Vastor, who in turn was compared to Yoda/Anakin in his raw force power. Plus Caedus was pretty frightened of Krayt.
Threatening the balance of the force was:
1. Done with Sidious helping
2. In a meditative trance/ritual over the course of months
3. Involved no direct retaliation by the force, like boiling their midichlorians as Plagueis mused.
And it's not like Krayt in Apocalypse wasn't cosmically relevant to the force, he basically acted as The Son.
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There's no indication that Abeloth's avatars are super-hard.
What does this mean?
Does he? In either case, this was an avatar Abeloth being weakened by fighting multiple places simultaneously and dying in said multiple places, and one who also had to deal with/guard against Luke.
I mean, Saba was doing well against some of the avatars. Even Boba Fett and Tahiri were, lmao.
More like using Force drain on a Luke who was wrestling with Abeloth over an extended period of time and still not really doing much.
Vader was sensed to be far more powerful than Vastor by a guy who was barely Force sensitive.
Also, you're kind of conceding your argument if you think Krayt is "akin" to Darth Vader. Caedus is clearly far more powerful than Vader, not only by the blurb but also by his performance against Luke, whereas Luke 40 years earlier was already matching Vader. Plagueis is clearly stronger than Vader because he's a match for TPM Sidious, and TPM Sidious has to be more powerful than Vader because the idea is that Vader can't catch up to him - if RotJ Vader were already comparable to the 50 or so year old TPM Sidious, he would've had hope of matching him in potential.
True, but still. Cut it in half and it's still really impressive. I mean Krayt was doing all those things against Abeloth with Luke and the entire Jedi/Lost Tribe orders helping.
It's still something no other Sith has ever accomplished.
But Plagueis and Sidious both thought they would be able to handle it.
lol so did Ben and Vestara.
Plagueis also altered seasonal patterns just by setting foot on a planet. He's pretty powerful.
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Krayt punching holes in Abeloth isn't a physical feat, it's a power feat. They were fighting in a spirit realm of sorts, so he was essentially smashing his force energies into hers.
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