Can Vader or Dooku replicate Maul's shuttle feat/Ragdolling Kenobi?
Can Vader or Dooku replicate Maul ragdolling Kenobi, causing disturbances in the force, and breaking barracks?
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
What feats do either have that rival Maul's impressive force augmentation and causing. Yoda to sense him as a force disturbance?
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
How is that even a question?
Vader and Dooku are close in terms of Force power. Maybe even equals.
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Is there something wrong with the hammer?
You insinuate Dooku=Maul in Force terms?
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Kenobi's probably near Dooku level as well by then. Which we will see soon on Rebels when Maul and Kenobi have an epic final battle:
As for Vader struggling, Just because he didn't blitz him doesn't mean Ben gave him hell. Both combatants knew Vader was gonna win.
Not exactly equal, but going by feats I doubt Dooku's on a whole other level. And in an all out fight I'd say yeah they're near equals, but I'd still give Dooku the edge.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Dec 30th, 2016 at 08:25 PM
1. a) So Dooku is still Ben's superior.
b) Apparently Obi-Wan could also blitz Vader. The reason he let himself killed was to make Luke to become a Jedi and defeat the Sith Empire. So that doesn't ease Vader's case.
2. On lightsabre skills; I'd understand you. But Force-wise? Never. If lightning hit Maul once, so it can twice.
Remember when Dooku was drugged and had his Force connection diminished? He hold off the Nightsisters only by using his lightsabre skills. And his lightning(despite of being weakened) still made them a blowjob.
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1. a) Probably. But that's not enough to call Dooku an equal to Vader. Vader is after all (in Canon) more powerful than he was as Anakin, who was already more powerful than Dooku. Not saying the difference is that large, but it's definitely a solid and significant difference.
b) Just ignoring the 40 year old choreography and the fact that Lucas hadn't even worked out who Vader was and what everyone's power levels were yet, the dialogue during the fight suggests both combatants knew Vader was going to win. Kind of like the dialogue in the Yoda vs Dooku fight was very telling.
2. Yes Maul doesn't shoot Lightning. And he can't deflect it with his hands either. But given AOTC Kenobi can block Dooku's Lightning with his Saber, I see no reason why Maul couldn't. And Maul pulling the ETA class shuttle off a cliff is still one of the best TK feats displayed in the animation and films.
Yes I agree Dooku very likely handled a situation where he was ambushed, drugged and blinded better than Maul could have. But given Dooku is just decades more experienced the basics like "your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them" are probably just ingrained in his head to a much better extent. But not sure that would help as much in a Dooku vs Maul 1 v 1.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Dec 30th, 2016 at 11:03 PM
1. a) But this is not canon, is it?
And Vader didn't become more powerful(in the Force); but more skilled with it and his lightsabre skills.
Tbh, Anakin beat Dooku because the latter was taken by surprise due to his boasting attitude. I am pretty sure if Dooku knew how much Skywalker improved over the course of the years. He would have not lost.
b) Maybe Vader would have won. But it would be still a hard battle for Vader.
2.) Dooku was only firing a facsimile of his Force lightning to warn Obi-Wan Kenobi. I am pretty sure he could have uberwhelmed Kenobi via the Force. I will post a theory as why Dooku was holding back.
Didn't Dooku lift a massive pot with the Force instantly? I think this is quite a feat.
3.) Dooku could still beat Maul. We know that Sidious seeks replacements with greater Force strength every time he lost an apprentice.
So, essentially, Dooku>Maul Force-wise.
Anakin>Dooku/=Vader>Maul Force-wise.
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Dec 30th, 2016 03:15 AM
