I mean just because it has an S on it doesn't make it Superman, it to me is like including Cyborg Superman as a version of Superman in discussions only sillier. It's not Kryptonian, it's a moniter construct.
Here's the basis of my premise. TR is a weapon/vehicle, much like a mech. It is something driven, not JUST by SUPERMAN. Ultraman is there too.
People like to say, "Oh, well he's powered by Superman so it's the same thing!" Wrong. Here in this panel, Adam clearly says it's powered by dualities. Split, opposing forces. TR is powered by the yin-yang pull between Ultra-Man and Superman, not by Superman himself.
Another popular falsehood is that Superman is in control. I have a theory about that too. People come to that conclusion because the exposition is from Clark's pov. I think that's wrong. Ultra-Man gets exposition nowhere in the book. Clark is the hero of the title. But Ultra-Man is clearly as conscious as Clark is, via this panel
nothing at all says he's in control. Adam EXPLICITLY says the TR is powered by DUALITY. Meaning two. That's why both are in there
TR is a device powered by the idea of duality of Ultra and Clark but is in no way actually Superman. Both Superman and Ultraman are expelled from the wrecked TR with no injuries because ITS NOT THEM TAKING DAMAGE
TR is the cosmic version of one of Starks IM drone bodies. It's powered by esoterica rather than tech but still same concept. A made thing, powered by an actual being.
Yeah . It used duality. Opposing opposites. Not once did it say it needed supes power specifically. Not. Once. It was powered by duality so technically had Black Adam been there with Shazam, they too could have powered it.
It used supes cuz his polar opposite, evil Supes was there. it's the concept of opposed forces that power TR, NOT KRYPTONIANS lmao
It clearly stated it was representing Superman's stories https://ibb.co/tp0pQpG
And though it was controlled by Superman consciousness, Ultraman worshipping Mandrakk so he certainly wouldn't help superman defeating him https://ibb.co/rtfz8cW
Um no, The TR exists independently of Clark. It is NOT Clark
even IF Superman was driving, it's still not him. He was piloting a robot. Period. DC itself designated TR as an OBJECT. DC doesn't consider it Superman. DC. Says. It's. An. Object. By definition, that means it's not Superman, i.e. a being
Takes a real fool to dispute the creators take on it's creation πππ
What? The comic stated on panel clearly only Superman( His essence) could save them, And during his battle with mandrakk it was blatanly stated It was Superman stories could beat mandrakk and it was superman who controlling the thought robot all the time https://ibb.co/NgvYJYN https://ibb.co/tp0pQpG
It is an object that could receive stories, And only Superman stories could beat mandrakk in Morrison cosmology. So safely to say it is a version of superman imo
Ummm YEAH t's not Superman, you're literally repeating things I already addressed in my first post. It's a machine he controlled. Period. All the logic bending in the world doesn't change that. The book calls it an it and a robot. DC defines it as an object, not character. None of your fan logic changes any of that. Like these are two hard, indisputable facts. DC says it's an object. How the hell do you argue with that? Like, really, how the hell is DC wrong?
if thats the case the god killer suit Ironman piloted in can be classed as comp Ironman even though he neither made it nor did it really have any analog to his abilities
Its like Whirly making a thread asking who's the most powerful human.
And disqualifying Starbrand, Quasar, GLs, Iron Man etc because the various companies define it as an 'object' (Starbrand, Negabands, GL ring, IM armour etc).
Composite is a version of the actual character. Superman doesn't become TR. TR is a created thing. A perfect example is a Stark drone. Created by and nominally controlled by Tony, but not valid as a composite version. It's literally exactly the same except Clark didn't make TR and it's empowered and controlled cosmically instead of technologically
No matter how you bend it, a machine controlled by Superman, however he controls it, is not Superman. It's a machine controlled by Superman
it's a robot remotely controlled by esoteric energies. It's called thought ROBOT. It's a construct. It's entry in DC database is as an OBJECT. Indisputable
It essence is Superman stories. https://ibb.co/tp0pQpG
And It clearly stated it only purpose was to defeat the ultimate enemy(i.e Superman stories beating the shitty out of mandrakk):https://ibb.co/tP1Spcz https://ibb.co/tp0pQpG
it appearance design specifically related to superman
Similar to superman w superman sword still recognized as a version of superman
They're only superhuman with their gear. Without it they're just humans.
But nobody separates them. If I made a thread asking for the most powerful versions of Batman, GLBatman would be up there. But he's doing so with his ring.
TR is NOT at ALL Superman. You drive a car. Is the car YOU? Supes isn't even the creator of the armor or even the sole energy powering it. It's like a goddamn mecha driven by consciousness rather than joysticks. It's a thing. An object. A weapon. It is NOT Clark Kent/Kal-El and therefore not Superman and not actually a factor in composite Superman.
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Jan 31st, 2020 04:50 PM
Yeah . It used duality. Opposing opposites. Not once did it say it needed supes power specifically. Not. Once. It was powered by duality so technically had Black Adam been there with Shazam, they too could have powered it.
What? The comic stated on panel clearly only Superman( His essence) could save them, And during his battle with mandrakk it was blatanly stated It was Superman stories could beat mandrakk and it was superman who controlling the thought robot all the time
