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Tongue Original Ion vs Adult Franklin richards

Both at full power

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Franklin.


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Ion, Kyle was in the same level of Zero Hour Hal

they are light years ahead of Franklin


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ZH Parallax had also absorbed residual energy from the events of COIE, so he was > classic Ion.

As for this thread, I'm undecided.


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Franklin wins.


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Originally posted by Galan007
ZH Parallax had also absorbed residual energy from the events of COIE, so he was > classic Ion.

As for this thread, I'm undecided.


true, but Ion 1 was godlike though, he certainly scales to zh parallax even if he's not equal. and parallax was capable of bring back the pre-crisis multiverse.

adult franklin had trouble with mad celestials, and none of those celestials are multiversal in power

kyle was capable of rewritting zero hour, he can time travel and manipulate time at will. those statements alone put him far above any universal powerhouses
https://imgur.com/a/C8ev5RY

he's also omnipresent
https://imgur.com/a/5WAjyRh
https://imgur.com/a/Cv4RuJp


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Probably Ion, but its close.

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Originally posted by Galan007
ZH Parallax had also absorbed residual energy from the events of COIE, so he was > classic Ion.

As for this thread, I'm undecided.


Didn't that power include those residual energies

Regardless, Oblivion seemed an entity unto himself, and threatened the universe. Ion also absorbed Oblivion.


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Originally posted by MrMind
Ion, Kyle was in the same level of Zero Hour Hal

they are light years ahead of Franklin



We have confirmation from Spectre that Kyle could have manipulated time and space in any way he wanted, without any paradox's.


The confirmation being that he told Kyle he should not do that.


As opposed to can not.


This was a deliberate plot point, as Kyle noted Hal was incapable of lying as the spirit of vengeance.


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Originally posted by MrMind
true, but Ion 1 was godlike though, he certainly scales to zh parallax even if he's not equal. and parallax was capable of bring back the pre-crisis multiverse.

adult franklin had trouble with mad celestials, and none of those celestials are multiversal in power

kyle was capable of rewritting zero hour, he can time travel and manipulate time at will. those statements alone put him far above any universal powerhouses
https://imgur.com/a/C8ev5RY

he's also omnipresent
https://imgur.com/a/5WAjyRh
https://imgur.com/a/Cv4RuJp
Classic Ion doesn't scale to the same level as Parallax, though.

Despite never actually operating on such a scale, Ion's chat with Spectre definitely indicated that he could operate on a fully universal level... But then, so could Franklin. That's why I'm undecided.


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Could Ion scale from the recent GL issues written by Morrison? A portion of CB powers is enough to let Hal stop a universal bomb, And Ion's powers are basically the CB powers

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Wasn't Ion even more powerful than Parallax? It's been ages since I've read that story.


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parallax has more feats but original ion was more powerful based on implied power.

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Original Ion is confirmed to be multiversal.
Does Adult Franklin have some multiversal feat or setting?

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Original Ion is confirmed to be multiversal.
Does Adult Franklin have some multiversal feat or setting?


Confirmed how?

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Original ION.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
Confirmed how?

https://imgur.com/a/C8ev5RY
He has has near total control over time and change reality if he wants with changing time stream.

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Hyperbole
What part?

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Originally posted by CatL18
https://imgur.com/a/C8ev5RY
He has has near total control over time and change reality if he wants with changing time stream.


All that appears to show is that he can alter past events. He uses saving Coast City as an example (which could have prevented Hal from becoming Parallax). That's not "multiversal" IMO.

Now Franklin on the other hand...

https://imgur.com/a/ejeHQvz

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