Yeah I agree. I know IF has gotten amped and whatnot, and most certainly takes either one on one, but Batman & Nightwing together? They can put down a lot
Take the fact Danny is VASTLY faster then Bruce, being comparable to Spider-Man, who himself outclasses Cassandra Cain, whom Bruce himself admitted he'd lose against in a straight fight (And who simply has better speed/reaction feats then he does, despite his much longer history).
If it was straight hand to hand, I'd vote Danny over both of them. If they used gadgets, they'd still have to manage to USE them before getting blitzed into the ground (Unless you think they could last more then a few seconds against Spidey, who IMO could overwhelm them pretty quick)
But lets say they get to use their gadgets. Which gadgets, exactly. will stop him? A Batline/net? He's broken out of Spider-Webbing, easily as strong as any fiber-mesh Bruce carries. Electric Battrangs? He amped off of rail car electricity in Immortal Iron Fist. Gas? According to an IIF one shot, he claimed poisons never work on him, because the chi simply burns it out of his body.
This is all without taking the Iron Fist attack itself into account. If he used that, then it's GG. One shot KO's all around. He's punched through everything from speeding trains, to helicopters, to characters that could give Thor a run.
I mean, someone will probably break out scans of Batman surviving Wonder Woman or Superman attacks, because he has a lot of those. But really, he has no business surviving a Wonder Woman killing shot.. At the very least, a punch that could one shot Luke Cage should knock Bruce cold, every single time.
IMO, Iron Fist wins a majority. Give the team one or two wins if Danny is off his game or fooling around.
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I used to post scans all the time, but too lazy now. Stilts probably seen most of them, from other posters if not me. One scene had him redirecting machinegun fire using his fingertips. They were flechette's, not bullets, but they were said to be capable of penetrating steel (Only in comic books), and real world flechette's can reach the speeds of bullets at point blank range (Which this was at)
A more recent, more famous scene from Immortal Iron Fist had him catch a bullet out of mid air, while weakened (To the point that poison made him sick, as at full health he's immune to poisons.)
I'll try and hunt some scans down, maybe.
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Chi enhances everything, not just one physical attribute.
Not that matching Parker's speed is that impressive. It's his agility, wall-crawling, Spider Sense and webs that make him appear faster than he really is.
Anyway, we take Danny at his best, we need to the same for Bruce and Dick... who are formidable even without prep.
Bats packs so much unnecessary stuff, it's ridiculous. Dick doesn't, but he's still more likely to have gadgets at his disposal than, let's say, Daredevil.
You don't have to find the scans unless you feel like it. Were those feats considered to be due to an actual speed amp? I recall IF at least dodging bullets long before that (same with Bats, etc.)
Was Rand redirecting bullets like Quicksilver in Days of Future Past?
I'm not gonna dump Spidey speed feats all over Smurph's nice thread because you know how to bait me by focusing on Parker's lowest showings, which, btw, are only there to make him RELATABLE, unlike some dirty invincible Canadian fur-ball who only knows how to be angry!!!! THATS NOT HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS DAD!!!
They're formidable, sure. It's the Iron Fist that makes this a mis-match in my eyes.
I mean, if you put Danny in a martial arts tournament battle royal with A and B listers like Matt, Shang, Shiva, Cain, Natchios.. Just pick a list of 30-60 people. It's kind of hard to use martial arts and gadgets against a walking nuke.
Which is what the Iron Fist IS, a glorified bomb ala Nitro. Characters with healing factors like Wolverine or Deadpool could take them all day, which is kind of what you need (That's why he almost never, ever uses it against streets, and saves it for the bricks with bullet hard skin.)
At his best, Batman has stuff that can and WILL put him down, no question. I'm just not sure he could pull any of it out before getting nuked. (Unless he keeps a Justice Buster in that belt of his. Which isn't all that crazy, since it's the Goddarned Batman..)
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Or my favorite?which i cant find at the moment)
Where Danny comments on a move of Matt's and asks if he can borrow it and what its called and Matt's response is "ducking"
And he doesn't nuke him. Doesn't even seem to amp his durability, as he did when Prince of Orphans sent him flying with a Kamehameha beam from K'un L'un across dimensions to the ice and snow across the divide.
That quote happened in Bendis's Defenders, btw. Matt had quite a few jabs at his expense that run.
*Barely beats Elektra, bloodied and battered*. "Really? You couldn't have helped out a little?"
"No."
However, it sure wasn't Matt who beat came back from a broken back, and beat down a super amped Diamond Back capable of ragdolling Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. If Matt fought THAT Danny, it wouldn't be much of a fight.
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