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Superman vs telepathy| How often does it work?

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Has he shown the resistance on the level to defend against these high tiers individually on an average

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How powerful of a telepath is Max Lord?


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Can and has it worked? Yes, and on several occasions.

Is it a surefire thing? No. He also has several examples of high-end resistance.

That said, I don't think it's beyond reason to see a lot of these guys giving Superman problems with their telepathy.


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How powerful of a telepath is Max Lord?


He worked in subtle ways and needed a shitload of time.

Raw psionic power is not Max's thing.


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Superman consoles with high level magic users in order to put mental blocks to protect him from telepaths or possessions.

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How powerful of a telepath is Max Lord?


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He worked in subtle ways and needed a shitload of time.

Raw psionic power is not Max's thing.


He's affected the entirety of DC Earth without prep time before ,fyi.


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Can and has it worked? Yes, and on several occasions.

Is it a surefire thing? No. He also has several examples of high-end resistance.

That said, I don't think it's beyond reason to see a lot of these guys giving Superman problems with their telepathy.


I mean he's shown a degree of resistance, but it's hard to say if that would stand against premier skilled Omega telepaths Marvel has in its arsenal.

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Superman has something of a decent record against DC's elite telepaths for the most part, but it's resistance, not immunity.


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In Marvel, having strong willpower serves as a first-line defense against forceful telepathic assaults like being dominated, possessed, etc.

But subtle approaches and things that directly manipulate sensations aren't really things that willpower will defend against, especially approaches that also incorporate psychological manipulation into the psychic attack.

I'm assuming willpower is a major factor for DC telepathy as well, but most if not all of the telepaths on this list are all skilled enough to easily employ subtle and finesse-based techniques to manipulate their target, even those with strong willpower like Superman.

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Trying to use telepathy against Superman possesses great risks. Once, a group of powerful telepaths combined their forces in an attempt to breach his mind. The consequences were twofold.

Firstly, the attempts to use telepathy against Superman proved so hard that the telepaths quickly became exhausted, mentally and physically. Soon they were on the brink of death. Secondly, Superman's mind-scape (or whatever glimpses they got of it) proved so good, noble and hopeful, that the telepaths became addicted to it. They could no longer stop themselves, but kept pushing against Superman's mental defenses until they died of exhaustion.

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In Marvel, having strong willpower serves as a first-line defense against forceful telepathic assaults like being dominated, possessed, etc.

But subtle approaches and things that directly manipulate sensations aren't really things that willpower will defend against, especially approaches that also incorporate psychological manipulation into the psychic attack.

I'm assuming willpower is a major factor for DC telepathy as well, but most if not all of the telepaths on this list are all skilled enough to easily employ subtle and finesse-based techniques to manipulate their target, even those with strong willpower like Superman.


Willpower in itself is and never was a defense against TP. A character has to have innate resistance already. Willpower can increase that resistance ONLY if the tp is weak enough (or their natural resistance is strong enough) to give them the chance to add willpower to ghe resistance.

For example, Professor X once made the avengers, etc go to sleep. Willpower didn't play a role. It was bypassed altogether.


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Pr said it best. Superman has high level resistance but he is not immune to TP.


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Willpower in itself is and never was a defense against TP.



This is false


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Willpower in itself is and never was a defense against TP. A character has to have innate resistance already. Willpower can increase that resistance ONLY if the tp is weak enough (or their natural resistance is strong enough) to give them the chance to add willpower to ghe resistance.

For example, Professor X once made the avengers, etc go to sleep. Willpower didn't play a role. It was bypassed altogether.


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Anyway, even Max couldn't make him kill.

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Same Max could affect DC Earth without prep ("letting" them remember):

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Well, I guess it is debateable if it was the same Max. After he got resurrected by the White Lanterns, he seemed more powerful.


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Anyway, even Max couldn't make him kill.

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Well, I guess it is debateable if it was the same Max. After he got resurrected by the White Lanterns, he seemed more powerful.


I mean he has more instances of being controlled than he does all out resistance

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It's inconsistent, but Maxwell Lord is everything but subtle.

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