Superman/Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer/Thor (average versions)
No bfr. These characters are operating at their daily levels. On average levels that we see consistently. Anything depicted as something that is above their average diaplayed power level can not be used here. Who's taking this? If you post a scan of Surfer turning a Herald into ants, you have to prove that it's within his normal, everyday power level to do. Same with super speed, if you claim that MMH will fight Surfer constantly at nano second speeds, we need proof of him doing this on a consistent bases.
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Last edited by carver9 on Oct 11th, 2023 at 03:58 PM
Superman is the only one who displays consistent superspeed with a consistent strength advantage over either Thor or Surfer (Thor is consistent with strength and lightning, Surfer is usually just energy blasts).
All you have to do is go by how the characters are displayed in comics on a consistent basis. Thor would go hammer cuff most of the fight with some lightning, Surfer usually is a blaster who uses a little versatility most of the time, Superman is a brawler who sometimes uses heat vision bit almost never use ice breath.
Lol... I never said that he won't use heat vision or ice breath, but he would approach the fight more often in a brawling fashion. Also, thanks for the quote from PR saying a scene needs to be done at least a dozen times for it to be a legitimate ability for the character. I know someone on here that use a showing that happens once as credibility for the character(s) natural abilities. You've helped me and don't even know it.
To be fair, neither Heat Vision and his Ice Breath would faze Silver Surfer or Thor, both of whom have withstood more extreme temperatures. The only one in this fight that would succumb to either (particularly Heat Vision) would be J'onn, and he's on Superman's team.
What is YOUR definition of 'consistent'? 'A dozen times' is mentioned in the rules - but how often has Hulk (as an example) gone WBH? Not trying to trap you, am trying to use examples so you'd understand. How often has Storm, since the 70s, flash frozen someone?
How often has Surfer actually used someone's radiation weakness against another? Not even just threatened.
In short, how are you defining average and consistent?
Those are low showings.
Superman's hv has reached temperatures beyond a trillion degrees.
And you know 5000 degrees can't be right since Superman has nearly vaporized steel before (melting it almost instantly). The melting point of steel is about 1400 degrees Celsius.
Ice can be harder than steel depending on the temperature and pressure of it.
You are only familiar with common ice that's a little below 0 degrees. Celsius.
Plus this is comic alien ice, just as potent as magic ice.
Freezing Bizarro and WW are its feats.
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