we already know what the prophecy is about: creating balance in the force and it has already been confirmed that the only way to create balance is to get rid of all the sith, that's what Anakin did, he went back to the light and killed sidious.
nothing about the chosen one having to kill the sith. they don't even know how to get the balance cause otherwise they would have seeked out the sith after TPM to kill them all.
yeah... the fact Vader died had nothing to do with the prophecy, he died because of all the Force lightning. He obviously got zapped pretty bad, there's a shot where you can clearly see his skeleton.
no only the chosen one can kill the master of the sith and his student. when anakin fell to the darkside this made him palpatines student. thats why they both died.
you got it wrong, seriously wrong even
the story about Vader is that he REDEEMED himself in the end of the movie, that makes that he is NOT Palpatines student!
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Unless it is all being metaphysical about the Apprentice 'dying' when he became Anakin again, beofre then dying of inflicyted wounds. Blah, I hate that though.
Regardless, sacrifise, is this opinion, or do you have a lead for us? The rumour that Yoda will discover that the Prophecy states the Chosen One will kill them both has surfaced before but I have never seen confirmation.
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The' bad guys dying' isn't what returns balance to the Force, exactly. It's the fact that these specific particular bad guys are the 'last 2 Sith' facing off against the 'last/return of the Jedi'... back in the days of The Phantom Menace, actually before TPM, the Sith had faded into legend, as ghosts, and the Jedi maintained 'balance' and order in the Force, by the Force, and for the Force... the return of the Sith brought unbalance to the Force, because the Sith are so all-powerful and Evil in their ways (one could even say insideous... in Sideous)that it takes 2 and only 2 of them to disrupt everything that the entire league of Jedi stand for and defend; this is the imbalance, that 2 Sith can f-ck up everything that an ARMY of Jedi defend and protect, by using the powers of the Force for Evil purpose, twisting minds and destroying bodies of anyone who stand in their way...
The only way to bring back the 'balance' to the Force again, is to destroy the Sith, up to and including the elusive Sith Lord Sideous.
So, yes, technically, if you go by the numbers, since there can be unlimited numbers of Jedi, and always only ever 2 Sith, maintaining the balance in the Force always falls in favor of the Light Siders... but, those 2 Sith are kick-ass powerhouses of pure Evil, so they be tough to beat, taking 6 movies to do their ultimate defeat proper justice.
It's kinda like the question raised in the QT Kill Bill Forum: Do you think Bill's death came too easy? It took 2 whole movies and she killed hundreds of people to get to him in the end, it was hardly easy...
same here, hardly 'in favor' of the Jedi/Light Side, because of the sheer Force of Evil involved...
and, back to the topic as listed in the title: I also believe it's sort of a combination and a compromise, having Darth Vader revert to his Anakin persona at the end of the saga, and die; and that he died as much from Force lightning as from his own Force of Will... he was redeemed, he was old and worn out from the whole struggle, he saw the Rebirth of the Jedi, fulfilled the Prophecy of The One Who Would Bring Balance Back To The Force, and it took 6 movies to get there... what else could an old Jedi Master/Sith Lord do? No real jobs on the open market for an ex-Jedi Master/ ex Sith-Lord, and those types of previous careers are real tough to hide, anyone with a cell phone can make a few calls and check out a guy's story... so, old Ani would have a tough time even finding work at Toshi's station or the Mos Eisley cantina let alone amongst the ranks of retired Jedi... so, he compromised and chose the path of the 'retired Sith' and the only way to retire a Sith is to kill him, so Anikin died...
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True True.. Still the dark sides only actual strength lay in there manipulations, in being able to con and convince people to donate there huge armies for whatever reason not actually being able to stroll around chopping down jedi after jedi.
Meanwhile theres supposed to be 10,000 jedi just on Coruscant. it's going to be interesting how Palpatine and Dooku (why that name for craps sake) are going to go about wiping out al those jedi
I know it would be weak and stupid a thing to even suggest, but, there might be a less than subtle hint and foreshadow of the greater evil in a certain 'fully-operational battle station' if the planet Coruscant was destroyed in some similar way, even if not by an actual Death Star itself.
I forget if Coruscant was included at all in the revamped version of the ROTJ celebratory end-scenes, but the planet's not really mentioned in the OT, maybe because it no longer exists as a planet, just another asteroid field?? hmmm... maybe the laser-dish super planet-smashing cannon exists in space without the station surrounding it to make it mobile, maybe it orbits Coruscant already, but is turned against the planet, the cannon itself destroyed when the planet explodes, hiding all evidence of its existence and use, until its reborn within the design of the dreaded Death Star...
good quick easy way to destroy a planet-full of Jedi though, destroy the planet itself! but, as I said, and I know, it's weak, and would in no way help Ep III be 'epic' and the greatest ep in the saga if that were to happen...
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Fortunatly we see Coruscant at the end of the new ROTJ. Hopefully even our (by now i fear dangerously senile) friend Georgie Lucas can fluff that.
Now i never would have badmouthed George before, but after seein what rubbish he was spouting on the behind the scenes stuff in Ep1 and 2 i just thought, he shoulden't be allowed near Star Wars anymore
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The only way to get true balance in the force was to kill all of the jedi.
In the prequels, there are 2 sith compared to the thousands of jedi .That is NOT balanced. Anakin realised that for the force to be in balance, and for him to fulfill his destiny (by balancing the force), he has to kill all of the jedi until the number of jedi is equal to the number of sith, making the force be in balance.
By the end of the prequals, there are 2 light jedi (yoda and obiwan), and 2 sith (vader and palpatine). This is how the force was in balance.
When obiwan died, luke took his place as the other lightside jedi, keeping the force in balance (2 on each side).
Then, with yoda, palpatine and vader dying, the only one left was luke, so the force was not in balance.
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Ok, people are seriously out of control about Balance, and getting it all wrong, as demonstrated by eleveninches there.
It is as simple as this. The Light Side creates balance. The Dark Side destroys it. The Sith will unbalance the Force. Their destruction will restore that balance.
It is NOTHING to do with numbers of Jedi or Sith, simply that the Sith win- causing imbalance, and then only their destruction will remove that imbalance.
There could be a million Jedi and no Sith, and things will be VERY
balanced indeed- because the Light side is the balancing power.
Slickrick is broadly correct, but I think is misleading in implying that two Sith are as powerful as 10000 Jedi. That's not so, they just did things better, getting much of the Galaxy on their side.. We have no reason to think Sith are automatically more powerful than the greatest Jedi. Their lack of numbers is nothing to do with concentrated power- simply pure pragmatism!
I am always confused by people who hold the rather odd 'literal balance' view of eleveninches- as if Luke is not going to refound the Jedi... the whole idea of having to live in a Galaxy where there must be the same amount of good or bad guys for things to 'work' (rather throwing the desirability of balance into question!) rather denies the whole point of Star Wars.
And yes- Coruscant is in ROTJ, so remains absolutely intact.
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why couldnt luke just make everything simple and join vader in ESB....i mean how many people would turn down vader's propasal to rule the galaxy....luke....only luke
May 24th, 2004 11:16 PM
not actually being able to stroll around chopping down jedi after jedi.
