That was before Dooku fell to the darkside and Mace's form works best against the darkside. Let say Mace is 95% as powerful as Dooku. His form takes 30% of Dooku's power and gives it to him. now Dooku is 70% and Mace is 125%. Doesnt look well for Dooku, I think that his form was how Mace beat Sidious so fast.
Sorry. I currently think you are retarded. This is NJO Luke not JA Luke. Luke is tons of times more powerful by now. Exar also had an entire race to use the energy from. Luke would beat him.
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All those numbers are meaningless in this discussion, its just your opinion, however we do know that dooku has beaten mace before and dooku would be more powerful after he turned to the darkside. And yes NJO luke is more powerful than JA luke but then again the real exar kun would be MUCH more powerful than just a spirit. And by calling me retarded you have shown your own lack of understanding and maturity.
Mace beat Sidious who's stronger than Dooku so Mace would beat Dooku. Exar Kun DID NOT knock out Luke as a spirit. I can see you like to exaggerate what actually happens and that is Kun's spirit AND Kyp Durron combined their powers in an assault not even a Jedi master could stop. Kyp is very powerful, able to ressurect the Sun Crusher from the core of Yavin with only a little help from Exar Kun.
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Gotta agree, Luke beats anyone one on one, and Windu would beat Dooku. Only reason Dooku beat Windu was because he was still a jedi, and therefore windu's vapaad didn't really give him the edge. Also, they were sparring, and not trying to kill. Windu is best when he allows his feelings to feed his power. Windu could beat dooku in an actual duel, especially since dooku gets darker over time.
Vanquish-Where does it even say vaapad is good against the dark side? And opposed to what? jedi?
Emperor Revan-You exaggerate by saying exar kun only provided a little help...but the whole spirit thing is kind of pointless anyways because luke would be facing the real exar kun, the man who walked into the republic senate with many jedi inside and freezed them all, killed a 600 year old jedi master in 10 seconds and took back his apprentice from capture. That is not an exaggeration folks.
I don't see it mentioned anywhere that it's better on that page. And Mace never fought a Sith of Exar's ability. Let's put it this way. Exar was from a much more turbulent age compared to Mace. He was in a time of war, while Mace was in a time of peace. Now, how many Sith were their during Mace's time? About 3 or 4. How many Sith were there during Exar's time? The number would be in the thousands. And how many Jedi did Exar face? Well, he faced Jedi of about the same quality of most of the Jedi Masters, and probably some that were as powerful as Mace was. But then it comes down to the weakest links. It is clear that Dooku is the weakest link for the Sith, and that Mace is the weakest link for the Jedi. This all comes down to who would win on this side. And I believe that in a prolonged fight, Dooku would eventually win because of his short concisestrikes, compared to Maace's long wide arcs. Then that leaves a two on one for Luke, and he's down for the count.
Well truth is we don't know how much Exar's spirit helped Kyp but they both did it and Luke says only their combined power he couldn't withstand or somesuch.
So he froze a senate with some Jedi in it. Big deal. Darth Malak could freeze Bastila and Carth at the same time. Kreia and Atris could kill groups of warriors instantly with the Force. Lord Revan killed EVERYONE in a powerful Sith academy single handedly well before he reached his full power. Kreia kills 3 powerful Jedi masters at the same time with one use of the Force. Jaden killed hundreds of Jedi and Dark Jedi fighting his way to Ragnos' tomb.
As for killing Vodo, Vodo wanted to turn Kun back to the light side. Kun had to beg for mercy twice from a spirit. He had an amulet increase his power. Don't get me wrong, I place Kun as third, just below Luke but I don't think he can match NJO Luke. Here are some reasons I borrowed from Darth_Plagues.
NJO Luke Skywalker:
1) Luke was able to charge through the entire Yuuzhan Vong HQ, basically on his own (yes Jacen and Jaina were with him, but it says in TUF that they did almost no work). Since this is the place where the YV leader is, there would be thousands of Vong, maybe even 10 000 or more, yet Luke wasted them all.
2) After doing that, he faced off against 7 or 8 slayers, Kyp who is supposedly very powerful could not even take one and he landed dozens of hits. Yet Luke was able to kill them with one hit, that means he is either exceptionally strong, or he was powering his weapon with the Force.
3) Then he defeated the Supreme Overlord, who on his own would be a match for MANY jedi.
4) In the final YV battle, Luke used an unknown power, to instantly kill a slayer. It is described as being like green sparks. Jaina also describes him as being like the center of the Force. With the Force flowing through him, he was like a malestrom of Force energy, unstoppable. Jaina also described him as being calm and focused, and his blade looked like there were 10 or 20, all moving at the same time, with one purpose.
5) Luke was also able to manipulate black holes and gravity.
6) Luke was also able to knock down AT-AT's like they were nothing, he could also destroy entire armies with the force.
7) In the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke removed an entire planet from view using the force, he said it should last indefinently. He was also able to make himself invisible and unable to be sensed through the force. Also in the Black Fleet Crisis Luke rebuilt Vader's old fortress, he also made it invisible. He did all this with out being sensed through the Force, and this is on Courscant.
8) Luke also trained underneath the clone emperor, so he would know about the Sith as well as the Jedi. Luke also defeated the Emperor's Force Storm, which was massive and able to destroy ships.
9) After defeating the clone emperor, Luke discovered an ancient Jedi Library, with long forgotten knowledge. Luke also didn't restrict his knowledge to just the Jedi, he hunted all over the galaxy, searching for knowledge and power from everyone he met. Luke also learned under the Emperor and used the Emperor's library
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Exar might have a pretty good chance against NJO Luke... But if he can beat him, it would take a very long time. Mace would already have joined Luke by then and they would have killed Exar together.
And Mace would win from Dooku, the last time he fought Dooku was at the very least 13 years ago. Since then all Dooku did was learn more of the Dark Side not of his form because he already mastered it. Mace did not perfect his form he never did, he still learned a lot in those 13 years. His control of the force isn't bad either so Dooku wouldn't be able to beat him by just using the force. Mace would take out Dooku before Exar beats Luke or vice versa.
Yep, I agree with Fishy except I don't think Exar could come really close to beating NJO Luke. Exar could hold his own and have a small chance of winning but not much. Exar's way too arrogant. Even as a spirit he thought no one could possibly beat him.
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The guy was like Anakin Skywalker, thinking his will is how everything should be. He wasn't like the Emperor who would keep his cool, Exar was hotheaded and could easily be goaded into something stupid. Even IF Exar had more power than Luke, I really think Luke would outsmart him or simply demoralize him enough (like what the Exile did to Sion) that Luke would be able to win.
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Not really Anakin was a fool and had nothing to base it on, Exar had a lot of things to base it on. Still you might be right but it doesn't really matter now does it. Mace would have killed Dooku before Luke takes Exar or Exar takes Luke.
Darth_Glentract- I dont see anywhere on the page that says "vaapad is good against the darkside".
Emperor Revan-You underestimate kun, he has been said to be the the "embodiment of the darkside" and not only defeated his master vodo but also defeated odan-urr(1000 years old I believe) at ossus, the legendary jedi who made the jedi code. NJO luke is not even in the same league as kun in my opinion. And mace would not defeat dooku, the argument about "mace has learned more over the past 13 years" is useless as it is an opinion, the facts are we know dooku has defeated mace before, the dark side increases ones strength so dooku would be even more powerful and even if vaapad is good against the dark side which I havent seen any proof of, dooku is a master of form II which is good against other lightsaber wielders. Dooku wins his duel and I believe exar beats luke.
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