Empire. Without the Death Star they still have the Tarkin, Galaxy Gun, Eclipse 1 and Eclipse 2, Sun Crusher, World Devastators, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Twin Coruscant Death Stars, Many super star destroyers, some orbital nightcloaks. Without superweapons they still win. 25000 star destroyers. Most(probably around 15000-20000) were destroyed in internal struggle with the death of palpatine.
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You don't have Revan's Sith army here! With Lord Revan in command I think he could take on just about any force. Remember the Mandalorians were defeating the Republic until he joined the Republic army and beat the Mandalorians. Then he turns on the Republic he just fought for and defeats them. Then he turns on the Sith he just fought for (which seemed invincible) and defeated them. Throw in Bastila and her battle meditation and IMO even the Empire would fall. Especially since their army isn't too shabby and Revan can turn most anybody with ease...
Without Revan's Force, I say the Empire for Glentract's reasons.
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The empire was the greatest force the galaxy had ever known. Even without the death star theres still all the star destroyers and almost endless ties, also theres grand admiral thrawn who was one of the greatest tacticians ever and ofcourse there was palpatine and vader.
Emperor Revan, I'm damn tired of everyone thinking Darth Revan is a god and that everything about him was perfect. He was very smart. He was very powerful. But according to Star Wars.com databank:
"Palpatine was the leader of the most powerful tyrannical regime that the galaxy ever knew" - Revan's empire was a tyrannical regime. And apparently The Galactic Empire - according to the site - was better.
In the Expanded Universe, it also said that "all previous empires pale in comparison to the regime that Palpatine set in place."
That's because Revan left the galaxy. He had the Galaxy at his feet and he left to fight the ancient Sith Empire. I hardly think he's a God but if the Empire's so damn powerful then how did the Rebel Alliance beat it with a third or so in numbers? If they can do it, yes, then I think Lord Revan can.
Oh and Great Vengeance: Anyone would've died from laserfire from a CAPITAL SHIP. Especially since he didn't know it was coming. Plus Darth Revan got FAR stronger since then.
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So why wouldn't he do it again? Revan's probably the best tactical genius ever. Throw in Bastila and her battle meditation, not to mention the army which isn't too shabby and it wouldn't be hard if Sidious is that stupid like you just said.
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Emperor Raven, you're making excuses. Revan's empire still existed - even though he eventually shut it down. And still, Star Wars databank said that The Galactic Empire was more powerful. You have it there. Palpatine's empire was superior to Revan's. Get over it.
Grand Admiral Thrawn is possibly a superior tactition to Revan. Thrawn led the Imperial Remnant - which was considerably weaker than the original Empire. Revan was at the top of his game when he was winning. Thrawn led a dying empire to victory after victory - with an empire weaker than before.
Palpatine also uses Battle Meditation. Quite well, in fact. It was one of the reasons that in space - the Empire almost always won the battles. Not to mention Palpatine had a far more powerful arsenal of super weapons. The Death Stars I and II, The Sun Crusher, World Devastators, and the Galaxy Gun.
You and I both know, Emperor Revan, that ESPECIALLY if all of these weapons went up against Revan's army - he would be destroyed.
It's not always the strongest empire that wins, we saw that when the Rebels defeated the Empire. I'm not saying Revan's empire had more forces or power, it didn't. But it had other things going for it too.
Thrawn could probably compete with Revan, I'll give you that. However, I still think Revan's a better tactician for good reasons, and Thrawn didn't/couldn't do much since he's not the head of the Empire. Revan alone could influence a war so much that he alone could switch from the winning side to the losing side and could make the losing side defeat the winning side.
Palpatine did not necessarily have battle meditation. Thrawn thinks so, but I believe if the Emperor wasn't killed by Vader he still would've died by Lando's hands so that's hardly impressive. As for the superweapons, he never had any two of those at the same time, heck, he never even knew about the Sun crusher.
And if you're bringing that up then I can bring in the Star Forge which is basically unbeatable since it's got an enormous dampening field around it which disables any ships that aren't Revan's fleet. The Empire wouldn't know and most of their fleet would crash. Next, the Star Forge produces an endless fleet of ships, has really good defenses, and is a gigantic space station. Combine all that with Revan's tactical genius which lets him turn most fights to his favor, AND Bastila's battle meditation and their army is nearly invincible. Also remember how easily Revan turned people to his cause.
Now, there is a way to shut off the dampening field but you HAVE to have the Rakatan's help. Revan can kill them all off in KOTOR leaving none alive and therefore, no one could ever get in to shut it off. Even IF there were some Rakatans left, the Empire (must've survived the crash as well) would have to get them to open the shields which takes several hours on it's own. Then, only Force sensitives can go into the temple where they would have to fight dozens of Dark Jedi and convince the computer to let them through. This will all only happen if they can manage to find the location of the Star Forge too.
So no, the Empire was defeated by the Rebellion and therefore I think Revan's army could defeat it, especially if he had the Star Forge. Now, if Revan doesn't have the Star Forge and the Empire has all those super weapons at one time, then yes I do think the Empire would win. I also think the Empire would win if Revan wasn't leading his forces.
General Zodiac: No I didn't see that because I didn't look at the poll. I apologize.
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The Galactic Empire would win. They have more troops and ships than the Republic and the Republic defeated the CIS. Without Luke Skywalker the Empire would have even defeated the Alliance. They would have far more firepower than the Yuuzhan Vong and even more than the Infinite Empire had. And they would have nearly every known tactical genious on their site (Thrawn, Tarkin, Daala and so on...).
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Didnt know it was coming? I thought revan had infinite foresight? And revan didnt recieve the full impact of the blast, the blast hit his ship and revan died in the explosion.
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