I imagine that Sidious would sitll overestimate himself and underestimate Mace in this fight and Anakin would still think he is everything. Both of them will make a mistake, Sidious a lot faster then Anakin.
Mace will kill Sidious while Obi Wan keeps Anakin bussy, after that Mace and Obi Wan will finish Anakin. Jedi win.
And Fishy, in fights with multiple beings, you have to take into account the level of cooperation, coordination, etc. If I answered every thread like you did this one, Janus' PT Jedi vs. PT Sith thread would have been three fights done multiple times.
Meh, back on topic.
With the environmental factor, this fight should be interesting. . .
i think that sids beats mace considerin that he's not tryin to turn anakin this time so he beats mace and then trys to go find obi-wan and anakin cause they've fought so hard and so long that they're like 5 miles away and then then obi-wan kills anakin sids then underestamates obi-wan and loses lol j/k sids beats him
__________________ I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you.
o ok i didn't c that i think everythings true till obi-wan vs. sids where i think obi-wan would b able to mayb pull it off like it just seems like he'd do something smart that would make him able to beat him like when sids throws a platform that obi would throw his lightsaber conderin that sids is usin all his power to hurl the platform as far and fast that he couldn't stop the light saber idk though
__________________ I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you.
Sidious is a better swordsman than Mace and Obi-Wan, and Anakin is better than Obi-Wan.
I won't go into the 'Sids faked it!' argument, because that's what I believe, but no one else really seems to care anymore. And Anakin was better than Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan got himself into a good position and ended it.
Right but Sidious and Vader will suck at working together. Mace and Obi would be better slightly, at least probably.
Now with the added envirement, Sidious beats Mace in a reasonable time. The second he would get pushed back he would launch in the air take the advantage and take care of Mace like that. And not just Mace he would use the same attacks on Obi Wan. Sidious is powerful enough to do it. Obi Wan and Mace are at a judge disadvantage here, because neither of them are as powerful in the force as Sidious is. Anakin isn't weak with the force either and would probably try to use it to, although the scale on which Sidious uses it would be to hard for him to master.
Once Mace is out which shouldn't take to long Obi Wan dies too.
I agree, although I don't think Mace will be taken out in moments. He's no pushover in terms of power. He's no Yoda, but I don't think he could be any less than 80% of Yoda and still be considered so powerful. He could probably hold off Sidious for a bit, keeping him from getting to a better position, although for how long I cannot say.
Well not to long, it wouldn't go fast maybe a few minutes but thats it. All Mace has to do is push Sidious in a bad situation, if he doesn't finish it there and then he has about two more minutes to live. At least thats what I think I could be wrong with the time but the outcome will remain the same.
Perhaps. . . But I don't think that putting the Emperor in a bad situation is gonna play against Mace. I get your meaning, but I still say that Windu could hold off the Emperor for a few minutes, saberfest or Force battle. Although if it comes down to a battle of the Force, Mace is pretty much screwed.
Sidious lost the first duel between the two of them not because he was weaker but because he relied on his lightsaber instead of the force. If Sidious sees the possibility of lose he will try to get an advantage.
If he does not yet see it he will most likely continue the fight unless Anakin gets into trouble. So I don't think the fight will end until either Sidious or Anakin gets into trouble in which case Sidious will try to end the fight as fast as he can and he will probably succeed.
Well thats becuase it will take a shit load of time, and it will be a long time before either one of them gets an advantage (most likely Obi Wan) but I think that Mace will be dead by that time anyways.
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Hm. Sidious has the advantage of the backdrop, but I don't buy that he's superior to Mace Windu or Yoda in lightsaber combat. According to the script, Yoda was able to put Sidious' lightsaber out of hand, and Mace disarmed Sidious relatively quick. Sidious' only real chance here is to make use of the pods and play frisbee god, but Mace is in much better shape than Yoda was, and can perhaps keep up. In any case, I don't see Mace using the Force anywhere near what Yoda uses, so if Mace were to lose his lightsaber, he would not be able to counter Sidious' Sith lightning, nor would he be able to finish the duel. An ideal situation, really, would be something like this:
Mace and Obi-Wan enter the Chancellor's chambers, just below the Senate Chamber. Sidious rises and taunts them, and Anakin draws his blade. Anakin leaps over the desk and attacks Obi-Wan directly, while Sidious unleashes lightning on Mace. Mace struggles to defend it, and meanwhile Obi-Wan, on the defensive already, will backpedal with Anakin in tow, pressing the offensive. Hre comes assumption one- can Mace overcome Sidious' Force powered advantage from across the room? If he can, he can close the distance. If he does this, Sidious is dead; I don't care who tries to sell it to me, Mace schooled Sidious in lightsaber combat, and Yoda did too. That up close and personal, Mace has more expertise and advantage, along with more physical strength. If Sidious tries his lightning again, it will only hurt him. Sidious would die in this scenario... IF Mace can close that gap. If Mace can't, Sidious has control of the rules of engagement. I personally think Mace's resolve and willpower would enable him to overcome Sidious' Force powers, but I'd be lying if I said this wouldn't be damn hard. This isn't the office; Sidious isn't on his back and defenseless save for his lightning.
Now, as for Anakin versus Obi-Wan, this fight could rage on for quite some time. Anakin is marginally the better duellist, and the hatred guiding his saber would aid him greatly. There is a chance he could overcome Obi-wan, but not initially. Even if Anakin kills Obi-Wan in the hallway or another chamber, this fight relies on Mace being able to pummel Sidious. If Sidious takes out Mace, then the fight is won- Obi-Wan cannot kill Sidious without a gunship at the very least. If Anakin kills Obi-Wan but Mace kills Sidious, the young former jedi is as good as screwed. He can't contend with Mace's talents.
Agreed. Although the course of battle would change dramatically if any of the combatants were to make to the podium and into the massive chamber. That'd be a fight to see.
Sep 1st, 2005 06:09 PM
