well done thank good as much as i like them two there everywere anyway yoda takes sion mace takes the exile and obi wan keeps up with traya until the the others help
Kreia attacks Yoda with such power immediately that he would either die right away, which would not surprise me. If she can surprise him that is, if not then it would be an awesome battle of the force where Kreia would eventually overwelm Yoda.
The Exile would attack Mace Windu which would be a nice fight to see but the Exile simply has more experience and a more powerful command of the force, he drew from others but he kept that when he became whole again. The Exile would eventually take Mace.
Sion would attack Obi Wan, and IMO take him. Sion is a Sith Lord with some power he is not as great as others but surely he could take out somebody like Obi Wan, afterall he did command a few powerful Sith Lords.
In the end the Sith would win, after a really hard fight for all of them.
That's why I replaced him with The Exile. And I think Kenobi could hold for a bit against Sion, and Mace against The Exile. Yoda could probably beat Kreia, but her Force powers would hurt, if not mortally wound him.
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Yoda and Kreia will do some force duel without any of them being able to defeat the other. Then they start a lightsaber duel and Yoda will defeat Kreia. Keep in mind that Kreia (from the game) is only able to use forms I, II and III so she has almost no experience with Yodas form, no experience with Yodas species and no experience against somebody as powerful as Yoda.
Mace will take the Exile. Come on. At the age in which the Exile is just about to become a Jedi Knight, Mace Windu is already near Council level. In terms of lightsaber combat Mace is the superior swordsman and they both have an equal amount of frontline experience (Exile 3 years in the Mandalorian wars, Mace 3 years in the clone wars). And Mace will use a fighting style that the Exile doesn't know about while Mace knows everything the Exile can do.
Obi-Wan will fend Sion till Yoda or Mace is coming to help him. Yoda + Obi-Wan or Mace + Obi-Wan is too much for Sion.
Jedi win.
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Kreia has no experience against people like Yoda? She probably met Exar Kun one day, or at least heard of him. People like Yoda were alive then, she sure as hell knew Vandar probably once faced him in combat training or otherwise. She would know how to fight people like that, and no experience against somebody as powerful as Yoda? The exile wasn't weak, not to mention she trained Revan for a long time of his life and once met him again during or after the Mandelorian wars.
She would know a lot about him, and he has power. She would just use her own power to overwelm Yoda, he was struggling with Sidious his lightning imagine what somebody like Kreia could do to him.
Mace vs the Exile, Mace seems more logical but not if you look at who the Exile defeated and then Mace, I think the Exile is way better. And fighting a bunch of droids or a bunch of Mandelorians? There is a huge difference between the two. The Exile was constantly fighting Jedi killing oponents, what did Mace face besides a few droids and GG...
Just because you can defeat a monkey and that same monkey can defeat Bruce Lee does not mean you can also defeat Bruce Lee.
Kreia against the Exile (if she was really defeated that is) fought in a lightsaber duel with only minimal force impact. Against Yoda she would use the force all the time and Yoda could not hold against that IMO.
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- knowing Exar Kun doesn't make her great
- she never did fight against anybody of the Jedi Council (people didn't even remember her)
- I hope you don't want to tell me that the Exile is as powerful as Yoda or as good as Yoda with a lightsaber. And the Exile defeated Kreia.
Yeah. Sure. She just overwhelms Yoda with her powers. Great joke. It just seems so that nearly everyone can just overwhelm Yoda with force powers. Can you PLEASE keep a little bit of logic at least (even though I know that you hate Sidious and think he is a weak coward) ? Exar Kun couldn't overwhelm Vodo with his force powers. Yoda is more powerful than Vodo so do you want to tell me that Kreia is more powerful than Exar Kun ?
Or just have a look at the "Yoda vs Revan" topic. 700 replies with the result that Yoda might or might not take Revan. Do you give Kreia a chance vs Revan ? I don't.
Oh great. Are we on the "the one who killed the most powerful opponents is the more powerful" level again ? Mace wasted the seismic tank on Dantooine that killed hundrets or thousands of clone troopers before and he did it without having a weapon.
Do you have any doubt that he could have killed anyone the Exile killed except Nihilus ? I don't. So he would still be the greater duelist.
No he won't.
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I still have doubts about that, but okay. And you obviously did not pay attention to Kreia, she uses a technique that can erase somebody's memory about them completely. She has used it countless of time and even tells the Exile that if she would use it against him he would not remember. Do you honestly think nobody of the council would remember Kreia? Kreia the one that trained Revan? They are practically blaming her for Revan's fall. She would have to be known unless of course she erased the memory's about her. Or some of the memory's. And Of course knowing Exar would not make her great, but she would have known Vodo as well. Meaning she knew at least two people like that.
[UQOTE]Yeah. Sure. She just overwhelms Yoda with her powers. Great joke. It just seems so that nearly everyone can just overwhelm Yoda with force powers. Can you PLEASE keep a little bit of logic at least (even though I know that you hate Sidious and think he is a weak coward) ? Exar Kun couldn't overwhelm Vodo with his force powers. Yoda is more powerful than Vodo so do you want to tell me that Kreia is more powerful than Exar Kun ?[/QUOTE]
No, she is not more powerful then Kun of course not. (well probably ) but did Exar Kun use his force powers on Vodo. Did he try to overwelm him with lightning. Look at what Sidious did, Yoda struggled okay he was surprised and he managed to throw it back damn impressive but Kreia could surely surprise Yoda with another technique and think of what she could do. She could possibly hit him back. Besides she could also make three lightsabers fly at him while holding him off with another technique. She could hold Yoda off for a very long time and probably just overwelm him with the force.
Do I care about what people say there? I don't, there are a lot of threads in a lot of places people saying Revan would lose from Desann for instance, or get this Revan losing from Malak. Do I care about that? Of course not, another thread means nothing to me in this one because its an opinion from a bunch of people that have nothing to do with this discussion.
Do you know any way to measure how good somebody is in a lightsaber fight besides looking at lightsaber fights, if you do congratulations please inform me, it could save me a lot of trouble in the future. The thing is you don't, so of course we are talking about who killed who and how impressive it was.
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She didn't use it on the council members. The council did cut her connection to the force and she disappeared after that event. And nobody ever mentions her name (the Council members the Exile meets), only Atris knows Kreia.
You overestimate Kreia I think. When she used the tree lightsabers she was not able to move anymore and she can't use other force powers while doing that. That requires concentration. And Yoda can disable that sabers with one hit each and also avoid them (if he can avoid three Jedi Masters trying to attack him he can also avoid three levitated lightsabers).
Looking at a lightsaber fight is not looking at who kills who. Mace was able to fight Yoda into a stalemate during ROTS times so he is better than Dooku with a lightsaber. Now what did the Exile do:
- he talked Sion into death
- he killed Nihilus
- he defeated Kreia
- he defeated Atris (who was the archivar of the Jedi Order in that times)
In terms of lightsaber combat do you want to tell me that the Exile /Sion / Nihilus / Kreia or Atris are somewhere near Yoda, Sidious, Mace or Dooku from what you have seen in KOTOR II ? Of course we can excuse that with bad animation of the game figures but still I don't think that people who get hit in fights with "normal" soldiers that wear melee weapons can survive a fight with the lightsaber masters from the movies.
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Well thats just how the game works, if you look at it like that then no movie character will ever win from a game character because they are able to survive being hit.
And those kills, how about Kavar? He was powerful, how about Vrook? Definitly powerful and skilled in the force. Zaj Kal El, nice but nothing really special just smart not a great fighter but still. The exile killed some great people. And if he did not Kreia did with one attack, the power is amazing holding of Yoda would not be that hard to do. Yeah Yoda is amazing but even Yoda can't jump through force attacks just block them and Kreia could launch some powerful one's, I don't think he could block that.
And please play the game again, she clearly says against the Exile when he asks why they don't remember her that she deleted their memory's of her.
You do not forget the master of the most powerful student you had in many years.
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Well...I just took a look on their movements. And their is nothing impressive in the way they fight. That's what I meant with they are probably animated badly - the movements (even attacks on "master" level) didn't impress me much.
The only ones I grant a decent lightsaber skill are Kreia and Sion. Sion is a Sith assassin and probably form II master. Still I won't say he is on the same level like Dooku since Dooku had more time to develop his skills. Same counts for Kreia.
The light side ending of KOTOR is canon so the Exile didn't kill those people. Even if so. Kavar ran away from 4 Soldiers who wanted to capture him and nearly got killed by Malak. Vrook...well I don't know. Zaj Kal El even said that the Exile is a greater Jedi than he is.
Kreia killed the masters by showing them how it feels to be the Exile. I doubt that the same thing would work against Yoda since all that masters had some relation with the Exile.
Limited to her "normal" powers Kreia can't do that much. The things she used against the Exile during their fight are not that terrible. Yoda might just block it - at least I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to do so.
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Hmm ? You mean the technique she used to kill the masters ? She clearly said what she will do. Show them how it feels to be the Exile. Show them what the Exile felt before he did cut his connection to the force.
Any other thing she could do (force drain, cut their connection to the force) wouldn't have killed them.
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) but did Exar Kun use his force powers on Vodo. Did he try to overwelm him with lightning. Look at what Sidious did, Yoda struggled okay he was surprised and he managed to throw it back damn impressive but Kreia could surely surprise Yoda with another technique and think of what she could do. She could possibly hit him back. Besides she could also make three lightsabers fly at him while holding him off with another technique. She could hold Yoda off for a very long time and probably just overwelm him with the force.
