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Betageuze
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How strong is a Thor WITHOUT Mjolnir ?

in which class is a Thor, without his hammer ?

we all know fights without hammer against Hulk.....

in fact ... this isnt really fair... because Hulk is one of the strongest one on one competitor in Marvel.... so he have to loose withouth hammer.... even he can give him a good fight for quite a time....

but how Thor would do against the following competitors, without Mjolnir:

against current Abomination
against Hercules
against Wonderman
against Spiderman
against Joe Fixit, Grey Hulk
against Current Juggernaut
against Thing
against Sasquatch

Oct 29th, 2005 12:50 PM

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he takes all of them except herc. that's a toss up with a slight edge to herc.

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I think thor's about class 100 even without mjolnir .

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" thor's about class 100 even without mjolnir "

He is.

Without the hammer he still is Herc/Hulk class. I recently saw in some forums the notion that without Mjolnir he is weaker (as a reaction to why he wasent winning againt Herc in the recent tussle in BO3).

Wich is totally false. He has fough Herc before h2h and stalemated him, same against Hulk.

Thor without the hammer is less -powerful- not less stronger.

And talking about that list, Leonidas nailed it.

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Juggernat will give thor problems everybody else he can handle including Hercules.

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Mjolnir doesn't increase Thor's strength as far as I know, it just provides him with an indestructible blunt instrument and a wide range of eneergy/magic powers beyond just weather control.

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I'd say somewhere between "damn" and "helluva". But that's just my opinion.

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Current Juggernaut is still class 100 and tough enough to beat Alpha Flight.

I think Herc and Juggy give him a fight.

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"Juggernat will give thor problems everybody else he can handle including Hercules

Current Juggernaut is still class 100 and tough enough to beat Alpha Flight"

Current Juggernaut is cl 100? That`s what he was before getting depowered.

Or did he got back to classic levels again. When?

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Oct 29th, 2005 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by olympian
"Juggernat will give thor problems everybody else he can handle including Hercules

Current Juggernaut is still class 100 and tough enough to beat Alpha Flight"

Current Juggernaut is cl 100? That`s what he was before getting depowered.

Or did he got back to classic levels again. When?

In the 2004 X-men handbook is says that he is still class 100 and strength level is still unknown.

He took on AF and Was fighting Sasquatch, Vindicator, and Guardian in a fairly recent Uncanny issue. He was actually winning but quite fighting and left AF take him into custody. I think Sasquatch was wearing Hulk-buster armour also.

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Oct 29th, 2005 10:39 PM

juggernaut74
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I just did some research. Read Uncanny X-men #434. Thats where he messes up AF.

In the next Issue he beat Rhino easily also.

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Re: How strong is a Thor WITHOUT Mjolnir ?

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Originally posted by Betageuze
in which class is a Thor, without his hammer ?

we all know fights without hammer against Hulk.....

in fact ... this isnt really fair... because Hulk is one of the strongest one on one competitor in Marvel.... so he have to loose withouth hammer.... even he can give him a good fight for quite a time....
but how Thor would do against the following competitors, without Mjolnir:
against current Abomination
against Hercules
against Wonderman
against Spiderman
against Joe Fixit, Grey Hulk
against Current Juggernaut
against Thing
against Sasquatch

VS Abomination
He'll beat fast and easy:
VS Hercules
Standstill
VS Wonderman
Quite tough fight if Simon is focused or enraged, but Thor still knocks him down
VS Spiderman
You really hate Spider-Man don't you?
VS Grey Hulk
Grey Hulk is the weaker one, starts out at Class 70-80 tons, he's going down bad and fast
VS Thing
He'll go down fast as GH
VS Sasquatch
If Sasquatch can call upon his godly side or what is supposed to be his real power, he'll give Thor quite a fight, but he'll still go down.

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Whose stronger, Namor in water or Classic Thor ? smile

Thor has more IMPRESSIVE feats, But Namor has a lot MORE feats. In the battle department they seem pretty even. smile

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When Namor can lift the Midgard Serpent, or fish the Midgard Serpent out of the sea, then I'll call their strength even.

Wonder Man has KO'd Thor once before.

Thor also KO'd Wonder Man also. smile

50/50 with Wonder Man.

Hecrules is a stalemate.

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When Namor can lift the Midgard Serpent, or fish the Midgard Serpent out of the sea, then I'll call their strength even.

Well in Namor's defence, let him try to lift the Midgard Serpent and fail. Until then, you still cant say Namor can do this or that if he hasnt even tried.

Has Thor ever ko'd Hulk by Physical contact(without hammer)? Namor has. Twice.

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Adam Warlock
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Doubt it Jrod. Weight of the world on Namor's shoulders? Nope. Thor is written like a retard when he goes against the Hulk.

Why the hell are we talking about Namor? He isn't even on the list.

Oh wait, Yahman brought him up.

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