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Eternity
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Galctus{full power} vs superman prime

I am new here but I would like to know who wins this epic battle of a lifetime

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No-one knows.

Cos no-one knows enough about Superman Prime.


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Galactus, easily.


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We know enough to know he's still Kal El and solar energy powered, and that Galactus manipulates the EM spectrum like a kid with a pack of Legos.

My money would be on a full powered Galactus.

But then again, I bet on Mike Tyson against Buster Douglas and that didn't turn out so well.


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Full Powered Galactus wins as he is supposibly near eternity level.


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Who knows!
Many may say fully powered Galactus would win, and some may even say with ease.
Others might say that Superman Prime is way too powerful for even one as Galactus.

Could go either way.
The thing though is that Superman Prime is not really explained fully. All that DC hints at is that not only is he exceedingly powerful but that his power has transcended all known levels in DC.

Why do I say this?

Well, when Superman returned to Earth after centuries away, he was already exceedingly powerful.
Exceedingly.
It states (when he comes back) that: 'Then one day, at the turn of the 700th century, literally out of the blue ...a haunted Ishmael drifted back to his adopted planet .....no longer quite human ....he had grown far beyond societal convention ....he sought out the current Superman, the millenia-distant blood of his blood, and forged a covenant .....so long as his descendants would remain loyal protectors of his beloved earth, so he would grant them powers BEYOND ANY HELD BY ANY METAHUMAN EVER ......POWERS GLEANED FROM THE VERY EDGE OF TIME AND SPACE....and administered by the Superman Prime from his new fortress of solitude deep within the sun'

This is when he came back, and he had powers that had transcended any held ever.

And THEN after that he spends thousands of years inside the sun.

And THEN he gets the last ring of the Green Lanterns, and all the power of Oa with it.

Superman Prime is much much more than a mere 'sun dipped Superman.' Far more.

I'd say he has an extremely good chance against Galactus.


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Didn't he need a GL ring to beat Solaris? Powerful indeed.


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Didn't he need a GL ring to beat Solaris? Powerful indeed.


Where is it stated that he 'needed' the ring to defeat solaris??

It is said that he uses it, yes. But not that he needed it.

If Thanos takes a machinegun and shoots someone with it, does that mean he needs it???

No.


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Where is it stated that he 'needed' the ring to defeat solaris??

It is said that he uses it, yes. But not that he needed it.

If Thanos takes a machinegun and shoots someone with it, does that mean he needs it???

No.


Could he have beaten Solaris without it? We'll never know now will we.


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Nope. Fraid not. no


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I thought the whole premise behind the use of GL rings against Solaris was that Solaris would be vulnerable to them because he'd never faced them before. It was even planned out and implemented so that Supes would receive the ring in the future disguised as a kryptonite ring so he could defeat Solaris.


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Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Where is it stated that he 'needed' the ring to defeat solaris??

It is said that he uses it, yes. But not that he needed it.


Obviously since the writters added the GL ring into the mix. Kryponite meant to kill Prime is replaced by GL ring. Solaris throws GL ring, thinking it would kill Prime, ended up being the weapon to kill Solaris. Prime needed the ring.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
I thought the whole premise behind the use of GL rings against Solaris was that Solaris would be vulnerable to them because he'd never faced them before. It was even planned out and implemented so that Supes would receive the ring in the future disguised as a kryptonite ring so he could defeat Solaris.


Actually no, DC writters are d!cks. They did the whole thing to have their heroes go through sh!t for nothing...because in the end - Prime didn't need the ring to beat Solaris in the first place. roll eyes (sarcastic) wink

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Naw, I'm pretty sure without the ring Supes would have gotten pwn3d. Manhunter, Huntress and Kyle all formulted the plan after the whole Starman/reprogrammed Hourman/Vandal Savage episode went down.

And another thing:

Solaris was capable of killing legions of Supermen (and other people) by emitting lethal radiation levels, why would he need a krypytonite ring when he's a sentient super computer sun entity that can alter his own energy signature at will? He should only have to tune his wavelength to that of kryptonite or red sun radiation and Supes would be dead by just being in his proximity.

There's a gaping hole in this story arc.


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what about that Android. in justice league unlimited, he was that gold android that hung out with dr. fate. he could pratically do anything. how powerful is he? he had powers kinda like frank richards + even more.

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<<There's a gaping hole in this story arc.>>

a HUGE hole. and not just one hole. to imagine supes having all this power and yet still retaining a weakness to k-nite is, to me, laughable.

there was no indication whether supes could or could not have taken solaris. with the ring, it was obviously effortless. i suppose we're talking about prime with the ring. the ring could shield any weaknesses supes has from galctus. i guess it comes down to whether you believe a powerful enough will wielding the ring really CAN do almost anything.

full power g is mythical but clearly WAAAYYYYY powerful. my gut says supes could hang with him, but i've always loved supes . . .
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I don't know. A hungry Galactus punked Surfer with the quantum bands (Keeper) in that Guardians of the Galaxy comic.

I have no bias, but I'd say Surfer with the Quantum bands kind of trumps Supes with a lot of stored solar energy and a Lantern Ring.

I'm not even sure Prime could take Gog head up.

I always thought of Full powered Galactus basically being Galactus without need of eating. His usual hindrance is that he runs out of power and his will/displays of power fluctuate because of it. Full powered just means he'd be able to pull off his feats without fear of his output wavering. Not that he'd somehow be immensely powered up. He already commands physics to a near god degree, what more does he need?

Oh, and about the kryptonite still being lethal to Supes, it makes perfect sense. No matter how much solar energy Kal El absorbs, he's still Kryptonian, and still susceptible to Krypton's environmental factors. Over time he may get further tolerance to the stimuli, but that would only be through exposure to it. Otherwise it should still effect him. Unless they've showed him in the comics somehow being inocculated to kryptonite or being exposed to it to the point where he's developed a natural immunity, he's still got a degree of vulnerablility.

Like my allergies to my sister's cat Muffassa. They're not as bad as they once were, but I'm not completely past the allergy because my body hasn't been exposed enough to naturally create a resistance.

Without regular exposure to the stimuli why would he build a resistance?


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If he was just an extra Sundipped Supes, he wouldnt have the power to grant powers to others (revoke them as well), nor would have been able to ressurect Lois. On top of that, there was a whole dynasty of Supermen powered by him simultaneously. Supes 1M alone punched through time while nearly out of power. There was a 5th dimensional Superman who was still somehow less powerful than Prime. Solaris feared Prime, and the kryptonite was a desperate last ditch effort.

This was a Supes who gleaned powers from the edge of time and space before his sun nap, and already beyond any meta ever. Think about that. Right now there are ridiculously powerful metas. He was said to trump them easily before his ultra long nap. We'll never be able to gauge his power, but I've never seen a full power Galactus either.

I say this battle is null and void due to lack of evidence on either side.


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If he was just an extra Sundipped Supes, he wouldnt have the power to grant powers to others (revoke them as well), nor would have been able to ressurect Lois. On top of that, there was a whole dynasty of Supermen powered by him simultaneously. Supes 1M alone punched through time while nearly out of power. There was a 5th dimensional Superman who was still somehow less powerful than Prime. Solaris feared Prime, and the kryptonite was a desperate last ditch effort.

This was a Supes who gleaned powers from the edge of time and space before his sun nap, and already beyond any meta ever. Think about that. Right now there are ridiculously powerful metas. He was said to trump them easily before his ultra long nap. We'll never be able to gauge his power, but I've never seen a full power Galactus either.

I say this battle is null and void due to lack of evidence on either side.
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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If he was just an extra Sundipped Supes, he wouldnt have the power to grant powers to others (revoke them as well), nor would have been able to ressurect Lois. On top of that, there was a whole dynasty of Supermen powered by him simultaneously. Supes 1M alone punched through time while nearly out of power. There was a 5th dimensional Superman who was still somehow less powerful than Prime. Solaris feared Prime, and the kryptonite was a desperate last ditch effort.

This was a Supes who gleaned powers from the edge of time and space before his sun nap, and already beyond any meta ever. Think about that. Right now there are ridiculously powerful metas. He was said to trump them easily before his ultra long nap. We'll never be able to gauge his power, but I've never seen a full power Galactus either.

I say this battle is null and void due to lack of evidence on either side.


yes

that first paragraph in particular is what makes me think this superman is nothing remotely close to the superman we know. it seems he dished out power ala galactus to create heralds of enormous power (av recounted some of supes 1M's feats and prime is supposed to be even MORE powerful).

ill, you mentioned his weaknesses, but it is possible his new powers allowed him to evolve past them. this seems to be like no superman we've ever seen, so to apply the standard superman rules to him may not be appropriate. we don't even know for sure the k-nite bullet would have worked, just that others thought it might. in any event, as i said, the gl ring would shield his weaknesses, if he had any, from g.

this is even worse than speculating about onslaught because we saw and know so little about superman prime.


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