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Swirly Girl
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Emperor Palpatine versus Darth Malak

So, OT Sidious versus Darth Malak, takes place on the Death Star.

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Sidious is death, he doesn't have the force power or the lightsaber ability's to take Malak.


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He pretty much gets stomped.

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I can't believe I get accused of fanboyism to Sidious when there is clearly such biased against him....
Sidious easily. Malak is far too much an idiot to stand against him


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Malak easily. Sidious is far too much of an idiot to stand against him.

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There's a difference between debating and trolling.


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There's a difference between debating and trolling.


No, I was merely reiterating my views, which happened to be the opposite of yours.

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No, you were trolling. Before everyone begins pointing and screaming 'fanboy'
OT Sidious....by some logic, must be much stronger than ROTS Sidious. This means he'd be capable of....battle meditation, clouding the minds of his opponent, the force lightning he employed on Mace and saber skills up there with Yoda.

Face it, Malak'll get curbstomped. In a fair fight against an above average opponent, he's nothing special and according to KOTOR 2 he was nothing but a stupid, tactless brute.


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No, you were trolling. Before everyone begins pointing and screaming 'fanboy'
OT Sidious....by some logic, must be much stronger than ROTS Sidious. This means he'd be capable of....battle meditation, clouding the minds of his opponent, the force lightning he employed on Mace and saber skills up there with Yoda.

Face it, Malak'll get curbstomped. In a fair fight against an above average opponent, he's nothing special and according to KOTOR 2 he was nothing but a stupid, tactless brute.


Even a tactless brute can be a great fighter and Kotor II talks about his military skills never about his fighting skills, at least not in a bad way. He is a great fighter you know.

Sidious on the other hand lost from Mace and could not beat Yoda, he didn't have any lightsaber training in 20 years and did almost nothing more then sitting around. With Anakin as his loyal pet and the Jedi extinct he had no reason to keep on training. Hell look at Vader his lightsaber skills got weaker and his force skills didn't really become more powerful. In 20 years they made almost no progress because they didn't need to do so.

Malak on the other hand was second in the galaxy only to Revan, never lost a fight except against Revan. Ruled over ex Jedi High Council members even though he was much younger then them, ruled over thousands of other sith. Fought in two wars at the front line, unlike Sidious who sat behind doing well no fighting at all. What reason would Sidious have to be more powerful? He wasn't the fighter Malak was and his force powers aren't that great yet either.


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Point being? 'Tactless brute' would be a general description. Malak was crass and lacked any sort of subtlety.

And gee, Sidious only lost against the best duelist in thousands of years and stalemated one of, if not the strongest Jedi master ever...wow, those are such crippling limitations! And /I/ get called a fanboy....proof he didn't practice and spent twenty years sitting around? If learning the secrets of the ancient Sith from Plageuis and manipulating everything precisely where he wanted it counts...and look, at the end of those twenty years, the Jedi Order AND the Republic were gone. Palpatine achieved more than Malak and revan ever could. Were Revan and MAlak invited to sit at Korriban personally by Ragnos, I think not.

Proof Malak never lost a fight? Oh, right, there is none...he didn't 'rule' over high council members, he simply ran away from them to fight a war. And if 'doing nothing at all' means 'Plotting to take over the Republic and wipe out the Jedi'...

Force powers aren't that great? You are aware he wiped out a fleet with the force alone and to show Vader what the Ship could do, mentally broke down an entire cruiser, wiped out a small army of rebel stormies with force lightning...the reason he gave for not doing it earlier was that he wanted them to WANT him in power. Any fool could take over the galaxy by force, but Palpatine made it into an art form.
He clouded the minds of an entire Order for decades and was able to sense Vader in danger halfway across the galaxy. malak displays....what, two force powers? And Palpatine's done both of them on a far greater scale.


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Point being? 'Tactless brute' would be a general description. Malak was crass and lacked any sort of subtlety.

And gee, Sidious only lost against the best duelist in thousands of years and stalemated one of, if not the strongest Jedi master ever...wow, those are such crippling limitations! And /I/ get called a fanboy....proof he didn't practice and spent twenty years sitting around? If learning the secrets of the ancient Sith from Plageuis and manipulating everything precisely where he wanted it counts...and look, at the end of those twenty years, the Jedi Order AND the Republic were gone. Palpatine achieved more than Malak and revan ever could. Were Revan and MAlak invited to sit at Korriban personally by Ragnos, I think not.

Proof Malak never lost a fight? Oh, right, there is none...he didn't 'rule' over high council members, he simply ran away from them to fight a war. And if 'doing nothing at all' means 'Plotting to take over the Republic and wipe out the Jedi'...

Force powers aren't that great? You are aware he wiped out a fleet with the force alone and to show Vader what the Ship could do, mentally broke down an entire cruiser, wiped out a small army of rebel stormies with force lightning...the reason he gave for not doing it earlier was that he wanted them to WANT him in power. Any fool could take over the galaxy by force, but Palpatine made it into an art form.
He clouded the minds of an entire Order for decades and was able to sense Vader in danger halfway across the galaxy. malak displays....what, two force powers? And Palpatine's done both of them on a far greater scale.


Unfortunately, this is the OT Sidious. Not DE Sidious.

So your arguments are basically moot.

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Actually, no, the feats I described minus the fleet bit are from just post ROTS


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The hiding from the Jedi was not down to inherent ability, it was down to the force unbalacing and swinging more to the darkside, I told you in another thread and you pretty much ignored me.

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According to the novelization, that was Palpatine's doing entirely. The Force doesn't randomly unbalance, it needs a catalyst. Palpatine was that, same as how the Skywalker twins were the catalyst for the light


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The novelization also has Obi-Wan dodging thousands of laser shots. Is it really a valid source?

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AOTC novelization.


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And? That doesn't imply power is needed, hell if Luke and Leia could do it, then Malak certainly could.

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Luke and Leia were only prophesized children and the grandchildren of the Force. Malak was....just another Sith. At best


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Luke and Leia were only prophesized children and the grandchildren of the Force. Malak was....just another Sith. At best


So you're comparing a retarded farmboy and a snooty princess to a Sith Lord who could control and harness the power of a star, just by using the Darkside?

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Using the phrase 'retarded farmboy' invalidates anything you may have to say. Like I said, in Truce at Bakura, Luke starts displaying quite the feats of power. He pulls spirits from the Ssi-Ruuvi tech, destroys a horde of Ssi-Ruuk, uses the force to physically 'die' and destroy a contamination within him...
You mean I'm comparing them to a stupid brute who capitalized on someone else's hard work? You mean the grandchildren of the Force who had prophecy backing them to a random idiot of a Sith?

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