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When a Jedi passes over to the darkside

there must be a moment when they are neither Jedi or Sith, would that moment be the perfect balance of the force?

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And even so... they would be Balanced when Light. Dark is imbalance.


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yeah people just take the meaning of balance of the Force sometimes too litteraly


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my god...whats with these threads....


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I never saw the light side as being "balanced"


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how can there be balance with just the light side OR the dark side. I wouldve thought that to find true balance would have meant trying to find the best balance of both dark and light ( think Yin and Tang) And having them work together.

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Dark side forces the universe in its will. Lightside helps the universe to grow freely in peace.

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I think you meant yin and yang.




yin and tang. laughing out loud


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how can there be balance with just the light side OR the dark side. I wouldve thought that to find true balance would have meant trying to find the best balance of both dark and light ( think Yin and Tang) And having them work together.
Every time "balance of the Force" is mentioned, people always picture "balance" as in equal weight on either side.

Balance in this sense means "stability." The Force an't be stable while the Dark Side exists i.e. Balance=No more Sith.

There IS no middle path, it's either one or the other, Light or Dark.


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Dark side forces the universe in its will. Lightside helps the universe to grow freely in peace.



isnt a Jedi mind trick just forcing someone or something to a Jedis will?

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Every time "balance of the Force" is mentioned, people always picture "balance" as in equal weight on either side.

Balance in this sense means "stability." The Force an't be stable while the Dark Side exists i.e. Balance=No more Sith.

There IS no middle path, it's either one or the other, Light or Dark.



So if there is a 'balance' needed for the light side, there is a 'balance' needed for the dark side, would be safe to say that the balance of the dark side is kept by having only two sith ( master & apprentice) existing at a time.

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So if there is a 'balance' needed for the light side, there is a 'balance' needed for the dark side, would be safe to say that the balance of the dark side is kept by having only two sith ( master & apprentice) existing at a time.


you're still seeing it in weight...there is no light side or dark side...the dark side of the Force are the powers you can use from the Force, its how you can manipulate the Force for your own purposes, and when that happens it creates a disturbance in the Force. Jedi choose to serve the Will of the Force, the Sith ignore it and use it for their own purposes. When a Jedi uses a mind trick it is not for his own purposes but for a greater goal, they do it also to serve the will of the Force in the end.


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Having two Sith is just a way for the Dark Side to thrive; it is nothing to do with Balance. Sith don't give a damn about Balance.


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Having two Sith is just a way for the Dark Side to thrive; it is nothing to do with Balance. Sith don't give a damn about Balance.


exactly! But it is them who bring the Force out of balance by like I said use the Force for their own purposes. If you do not serve the Will of the Force you create disturbances in the Force, which brings it out of balance which leaves one question tho...why did the Emperor feel that there is a disturbance in the Force while he was talking about Luke Skywalker.

I guess he meant a disturbance in the Force from his point of view...while the Force seemed to be more balanced he found it disturbing, cause the Sith know that it wouldn't be, because of there own actions. That the Force is more at peace is Skywalker's doing/fault. That is why I think that the emperor called it a disturbance in the Force while it actually wasn't...on the contrary.

I always thought that "the Dark Side of the Force" was more of a saying of how you use the Force. But maybe it does have a good and a dark side like in hinduism...their God has a good and a dark side unlike other religions.


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isnt a Jedi mind trick just forcing someone or something to a Jedis will?



Yes. But the Jedi is doing the Forces will stick out tongue

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When the Jedi sense something is wrong, there is a "ripple" in the force (according to the Jedi Apprentice and Jedi Quest series). That usually means unbalance


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No, the light side is not about balance...the Jedi are supposed to be light side right? How con you be balanced if you only accept certain aspects of the force...There is a balance, the combination of light and dark. Thats why Vapaad is so powerful, because its the combination of light and dark.

In ROTS, the light side was too strong, think of it like global warming...It gets too hot so the northern hemisphere geets colder. The Earth tires to balance itself back out. Anakin is the catalyst for this balance.

There was too much light side, Anakin destroyed it. Then there was too much dark side, Anakin destroyed it.

Anakin brought balance to the force, that balance is achieved in ROTJ when both the light and dark side powerhouses have been completely destroyed.

BALANCE is about accepting all aspects of the force and using them all effectively.


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Human nature is the weakness!

With a power such as the Force, one can do powerful deeds with one gesture. How can one be sure that his or her deed brings a desired outcome? Acting without thought, with clouded mind (fear, anger, alcohol) makes the force user to misinterprent the situation, and the participants are the ones paying the price.

There is no emotion, there is peace. Emotions are good, but they must not affect ones decisions or attitutes.

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. One must seek to know the facts before acting. Jedis personal preferances are not to interfere with his choices.

There is no passion, there is serenity. If one knows much about something, he will become engrossed by it. Just because Jedi knows something better than other, musnt make it any more important for him.

There is no chaos, there is harmony. Things happen for a reason.

There is no death, there is the Force. Ultimately everyone is binded by the same shit called the Force. Nothing is separate, so there are no enemies. Only "misguided" friends who may give you no other option than to kill them in order to protect the rest of the people.

There are no aspects in the force. There are only ways to use it.
Many think that the darkside is supposed to make one powerful. So it might do, but did Anakin find happiness ever from it? Did Sidious?

Anakins life became more miserable as he came closer to it. Just compare ROTS and ROTJ ending sequences and you will see the difference in light and dark.

So, is the modern Europe unbalanced because we no longer have Nazis or Commies?

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