I read on another post about how Keira Knightly never signed any contract about movie 4. This got me thinking..
..If AWE is Keira/Liz's last movie, how will it end?
If Liz won't be in movie 4, how can she have any relationship with Will or Jack? This concept arose many questions about the ending.
As LovelyOne said in her "Feel Uneasy About AWE", there are more J/E shippers than W/E shippers. That means that if Ted and Terry had some common sense, they would try and make the majority of the audiences happy--they could ask Keira to do at least one more movie to entertain movie go-ers.
The past 2 movies have dropped clues leading to the fact that Jack and Liz should DEFINATELY be together. In the first draft of the first movie, Liz kisses Jack. COME ON PEOPLE!! That has to mean something. Was it that Ted and Terry were sippin' on their coffee, watching late night movies, when one says, "WAIT A SECOND!! We should TOTALLY make Liz and Will get together! Forget the whole 'Jack and Liz' thing; we will totally make this a hit if Will and Liz end up together."
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I think that movie 2 had so many more clues that led to Jack/Liz because they made out! In the movie, you could sooo tell that Liz wanted to kiss him as much as Jack wanted to. If they make it a W/E ending, that will be FRICKIN BULL SH*T!! Seriously--if you agree, please comment. THANKS
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whats this?? what post is this about her not signing a contract for movie 4?? If thats the case then I can see why they felt the need to make it W/E in the long run despite always possibly wanting J/E?.its like.why end a story J/E if there is no chance of her coming back for a 4...
Also I agree with you
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 15th, 2006 at 03:33 PM
the whole world is standing up in favor of J/L, in the form of the romances we have come to love--- listen to the songs of our era, or look at the literature, the media, the poetry. we might be charmed with the idea of W/L, but in the end, we're all aching for a romance that looks like J/L...
sorry for being dramatic, but it just seems soooo clear to me the right way for this to happen...
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I KNOW....(and yes, Rogue I'm shouting)...it's got to be, has to be, can't be anything but Jack and Elizabeth.....I want buy back into a Will/Liz relationship no matter how well written that stupid AWE is....I'm sorry I didn't mean that...I'm sure it's going to be a great movie, if for no other reason than it contains, Captain Jack Sparrow...
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That's very true. Jack and Elizabeth are the BEST!! They RULE they are one of the hottest couples around. Elizabeth LOVES Jack, Jack LOVES Elizabeth! its so clear! LONG LIVE SPARRABETH!!
Okay, before I start talking I'm going to say that I am a Sparrabeth shipper.
Now..when you said that the W/L relationship isn't as popular as the J/L I was a bit baffled. Although, I personally love J/L I'm going to have to disagree with you there. At my school and on a survey I took at the mall, many people love the W/L relationship way better. Some said, "I think that if Elizabeth wound up with Jack, that would be just plain mean! It's a Disney movie for crying out loud." Well, I don't agree on the Disney movie part because a lot of Disney movies have "mature" stuff in it. But the part that I DO agree on is the "just plain mean" part. I know that Liz has gone beyond her so called morals with Jack and she's turning to a little pirate herself, but even though she's done all this stuff, she's going to try to hide it. She wants the "image" of a good little governor's daughter. So while she's trying to keep up her "image" she wont want to be around Jack because he makes her "image" bad (or at least from HER point of view). Also, I know that there’s a lot of J/L shippers on here, but you can't base the popularity of the Sparrabeth shippers on a website. It's just not going to work AT ALL. Also, if LovelyOne's theory about Will dying is true (which is highly debatable) - then I also doubt a J/L ending because I don't care how much you love another guy, but when he dies, you're going to want your space and you're not just going to start dry humping Jack's leg (even though he's so sexy). Anyway I just want to say that I'm not trying to be negative. It's called being REALISTIC. And the REALITY is...Jack and Elizabeth may not have a chance.
JD 4 Life is right. This forum sways towards Jack and Liz but that is about 10 people. Every other forum I have been to is either split about 50/50 or favors a Will/Liz ending. And it's not 'clear' that Jack and Liz are in love. Yes there is passion and lust there but not love IMO. You have to think realistically.
Has anyone here never been in love with and dating someone who you knew was the right choice for you but met someone else along the way. A charning, older, adventerous person that ignites a different type of fire in you? If you have then you would realize that that other person isnt nessessarily right. It happens all the time.
Now if the rumors are right and Orlando isnt going to sign on for number 4 then T&T may have written it so that Jack and Liz do end up together in a way that makes sense. Every action Liz takes, the adventures that she goes on, the choices that she makes, have all been to save Will and of course Will's have been to save Liz.
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I think its just plain mean that Elizabeth killed Jack Sparrow and is now going to cold shoulder him even more...and people are feeling sorry for Will?? last time I looked, he wasnt swallowed by a Kraken after coming back for the woman he may love.
And Pirates Life Fo..Terry said recently that Elizabeth is crying at the end because she thinks she killed someone she may indeed love..I know its not saying she does love him but obviously it can be possible in the movie...Its not impossible to think its anything beyond lust and passion.
Also does anyone here see entire websites dedicated to W/E?? I have not found a single one...yet there are for J/E
Also on youtube..Its swamped with J/E themed music videos and clips..If you go over to KttC there are about 150 more J/E suporters that W/E supporters (a poll)
the thread for J/E is on its 4th restart thing where as W/E hasn't made it past the first
J/E has made it up for nomination at the peoples choice awards as a favorite pairing..W/E hasn't
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except for the choice at the end DMC..that was all for Jack Sparrow and herself. How is that helping Will? i cant see how that last choice was for Will Turner.
Also when Beckett suggests she's helping Jack with those letters she actually over reacts and tells him off basically...people pretty much do that when they are in denial over something
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Also I'm going to say that I don't think its only lust and passion when it comes to how Elizabeth feels about Jack. If there is to be one thing about Jack that she may love now or in the future. Its the honest and good man he can be.
On the directors(writers) commentary..in the curiosity scene apparently they are both challenging each other..they both want each other but on their own terms..
now if this was just a lust thing..she would have just been going on about his dirty appearance being the thing that is the problem..but she doesn't..she's also talking about the type of man he should be if they were to ever be together in the future..she wants the good man. She actually talks more about the kind of man she wants him to be..and not the way he looks..meaning its not really the lust that is the main thing when it comes to Jack and how she feels about him??
but you can clearly see this may be the thing she fears when it comes to Jack because it is the part of him that means she can love him..he comes back fr her at the end and this really does make her feelings for him escalate IMO
in no way does that godlike shot, the look on her face and the way she clings to his leg imply that she's lusting after him..its showing you that she is in awe of the good man he is.
it would be a lot easier for her to stick with Will if that good man didn't exist possibly?
interesting thing to think of when you consider how Jack appears to be changed by his trip to the locker in the draft script
Also consider the ending of DMC. Once everyone begins to talk about how Jack the good man is gone from the world...is this when Elizbaeth feels truly guilty for killing Jack? Becuase she has killed the man she may indeed love..Jack..the good man...does she care for that man enough to bring him back?..more importantly..watch what Will does. He thinks she loves him and so he wants to let her do what she wants to do, he loves her enough to let her follow what appears to be her heart here. (imagining we dont know anything about AWE)
Interesting when you consider what T&T said about being happy to leave the series here if they had no sequels coming up..they felt they had got the message across with DMC that they wanted to..and I have to say..it ended more J/E than W/E
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 16th, 2006 at 02:10 AM
All I have been saying all along is that, whichever way it goes, it will be a good movie. And T&T arent going to write the movie based on who the fans think Liz should be with.
What really bugs me is people that think that what T&T write is 'FRICKIN BULL SH*T!!' if it doesnt go along with what they think should happen.
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thats just a frustration coming out because they love the aspect so much it hurts..believe me I know because I've said that once or twice..I don't think its BS what they are writing..that usually comes out when one has just got news thats unhappy to them lol
They havent gotten any bad news yet. Sure there are rumors floating around the internet but if they beleive the rumors that is their own fault. How can you already be pissed and the movie isnt even done filming?
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Oh Oh ..I frgot to say..but in DMC..the pattern is..she has feelings for jack...but thinks Will is more important.she makes a bold statement that she is with will and it has to remain like that...but then she makes another choice and realises that she needs Jack..the good man..she killed...my opinion anyway
when you look at the typical 12 steps a hero tends to follow in a movie..she has in my opinion, just crossed step 5 (the first threshold of adventure) by deciding to get Jack back..this comes directly after step 4 (meeting the supernatural helper)
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 16th, 2006 at 02:21 AM
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