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Tattoos N Scars
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Pre retcon Brothers vs Classic Beyonder/TOAA

The Marvel and DC brothers awake once more to square off against TOAA and Classic Beyonder. Which team most likely wins?

Dec 22nd, 2006 02:22 AM

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Re: Pre retcon Brothers vs Classic Beyonder/TOAA

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The Marvel and DC brothers awake once more to square off against TOAA and Classic Beyonder. Which team most likely wins?

There is nothing that can defeat God(TOAA)

Dec 22nd, 2006 03:32 AM

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There is nothing that can defeat God(TOAA)

The idea with the Brothers was to represent the two most powerful beings in Marvel and DC (in other words TOAA and �External Forces�/Presence)

You simply ask, who would win:
Team 1
TOAA
External Forces/Presence

or

Team 2
TOAA
Pre-retcon Beyonder

The Brothers would win.

Dec 22nd, 2006 03:55 AM

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The Marvel and DC brothers awake once more to square off against TOAA and Classic Beyonder. Which team most likely wins?

What alot of people don't seem to understand is that the Brothers were for all intents and purposes, TOAA and God in Marvel and DC.

There was nothing above them.

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What alot of people don't seem to understand is that the Brothers were for all intents and purposes, TOAA and God in Marvel and DC.

There was nothing above them.

So, is Beyonder more powerful thn the presence?

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So, is Beyonder more powerful thn the presence?

Absolutley not.

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Dec 22nd, 2006 05:01 PM

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So, is Beyonder more powerful thn the presence?

Look they were the supreme beings, even if it would be reveiled that there is a more powerful being than TOAA, than that being would be the red Brother (in an other avatar) -- If it's not him than the Brother is above him.

There nothing above him, it's a deus ex machina.

Dec 22nd, 2006 05:06 PM

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Look they were the supreme beings, even if it would be reveiled that there is a more powerful being than TOAA, than that being would be the red Brother (in an other avatar) -- If it's not him than the Brother is above him.

There nothing above him, it's a deus ex machina.

I absolutley agree.

The Brothers were the total accumulation of EVERYTHING in their respective realms (Marvel & DC).

They were at the top of the food chain. LT and Spectre who are 2nd in power only to TOAA and The Presence, were AWED by the Brothers' power. They could do NOTHING to stop the Brothers.

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Dec 22nd, 2006 05:09 PM

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actually in DCU the Phantom Stranger is deus ex machina at full power without the interference of the higher authority/presence

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actually in DCU the Phantom Stranger is deus ex machina at full power without the interference of the higher authority/presence

But with interference of higher beings he would be toast ...

Dec 22nd, 2006 11:52 PM

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The problem is....TOAA appointed and empowered the Living Tribunal to be the judge of the multiverse. The brothers had been slumbering long before the Tribunal ever received his charge to be the multiversal protector. The TOAA has to be a separate being. I don't know...maybe that is one reason why they retconned that storyline..lol.

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Another thing....if the Brothers were the TOAA and the Presence...why would the LT and Spectre try to stop their bosses?

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There is nothing that can defeat God(TOAA)

TOAA=MoM

Jan 24th, 2007 06:05 AM

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TOAA=MoM

and what's the relevance of that statement in this topic ?

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and what's the relevance of that statement in this topic ?

TOAA=Presence=MoM

Jan 24th, 2007 04:01 PM

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Another thing....if the Brothers were the TOAA and the Presence...why would the LT and Spectre try to stop their bosses?

LT's job is to safeguard the multiverse in marvel, (don't know about spectre) and his boss threatend the multiverse thus he had to act.

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I absolutley agree.

The Brothers were the total accumulation of EVERYTHING in their respective realms (Marvel & DC).

They were at the top of the food chain. LT and Spectre who are 2nd in power only to TOAA and The Presence, were AWED by the Brothers' power. They could do NOTHING to stop the Brothers.

They were as you said in another thread a metaphor at the time for the writers and creators of the two Universes.

revealed in the phrase "You have done well"

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They were as you said in another thread a metaphor at the time for the writers and creators of the two Universes.

revealed in the phrase "You have done well"

It also tells us that the Brothers encompassed the whole of everything.

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It also tells us that the Brothers encompassed the whole of everything.

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Exactly and as the thread I posted explained. The retconn was inevitable as Marvel at least admit their Universe is in a state of constant change.

Hence why you can only ever post a debate about an event and not the whole Universe as a writer can change everything at a whim. eg A certain Negative one bug getting a giant upgrade recently and destroying Quasar.

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