Anakin and Obi Wan move in, move around the corner, wary of any surprises. Anakin had grown into a strong man by this point, but he was still worried about the upcoming fight against the old Jedi turned Sith, the malevolent Count Dooku.
OBI-WAN: (quietly to Anakin) This time we will do it together.
ANAKIN: I was about to say that.
COUNT DOOKU jumps down to the main level.
PALPATINE: Get help! You're no match for him. He's a Sith Lord.
OBI-WAN: Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our specialty.
OBI-WAN and ANAKIN throw off their cloaks and ignite their lightsabers.
COUNT DOOKU: Your swords, please, Master Jedi. We don't want to make a---
A lightsaber flies in the air and disembowels dread lord Tyrannus before he could finish his sentence.
Anakin and Obi wan are bewildered at the sight before them.
PALPATINE: You, you're...
BANE: No Palpatine, speak not my name. A greater power than either you or I has pit me against these two Jedi. He calls himself Zephiel7, the ruler of all, but master of none.
ZEPHIEL7: FIGHT FOOLS AND AMUSE ME!!!!!!
So who wins?
Anakin is crystal clear, Obi Wan cuts into Soresu.
Bane removes his cloak.
I wont be around to post a worthwile reply, but probably 4 days from now I can come with an argument.
I say Bane.
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Bane destroys them. The jedi's best bet is to force a saber duel, and Bane will still destroy them.
1. He's pretty much mastered the saber staff to the same degree that Kas'im has; he knows every move and sequence perfectly. So if Bane gets a saber staff, technically speaking, he's far more gifted than either Anakin or Obi-Wan. He can also switch up between the different moves and combos of each form, giving him a somewhat unique style.
2. His speed is far beyond these two, considering he was able to move faster than the eyes of trained force users could see, 'so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them'. And this was before BotS, where he grows far more powerful in the force and where he gains the orbalisk armour (both would improve his speed), Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't anywhere near that fast going by the movies.
3. His physical strength was beastly, he was 6"4' and he was described as a 'mountain of muscle'.
4. His skill was so great that it granted him the ability to beat Kas'im aka the greatest technical saber duelist ever, on equal ground. Again, this was before BotS.
5. His orbalisk armour constantly strengthens his muscles and keeps them flexed, they inject darkside energies inside his body, filling him with fury which can be channeled into his muscles to make him stronger and faster, and they constantly pump him up with adrenaline, keeping him hyped up to the max. They also heal wounds instantaneously.
6. The Orbalisk armour is completely resistant to the cutting power of a lightsaber, and protects Bane's entire body perfectly, except his face.
In other words, Bane is much more technically gifted than either of these duelists, he is far more skilled, he's far quicker, far stronger, and he possesses armour which heals non lethal wounds instantaneously, and almost makes him invincible to physical damage in this scenario. The Jedi Duo get owned, bad.
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Wrong.
1. You're describing Kas'im. Bane doesn't use a saber staff, he has just fought against one. So has Obi Wan. So has Anakin. No biggie. And He only knows the patterns he was taught. He doesn't know everything ever, and, he's not even fighting a saber staff. He's fighting two opponents with a lot of synergy. It'll be tougher than one practitioner with two lightsabers, and, when Kas'im brought ut a new style, he got his ass kicked.
2. No way. Do you know who Anakin is? And the armor might just weigh him down.
3. He was undeniably strong, but Kenobi has faced Durge, who is stronger, and won, while Anakins strength isn't to be underestimated.
4. Kas'im has one hyperbole to his name. He isn't a God. He couldn't do things that someone like Mace or Yoda could.
5. Bane is quite a contender.
6. Like I said, Bane is tough, he's just going to lose his face.
And just for the record:
Obi Wan "is respected throughout the Jedi Order for his insight as well as his warrior skill. He has become the hero of the next generation of Padawans; he is the Jedi their Masters hold up as a model. He is the being that the Council assigns to their most important missions. He is modest, centered, and always kind.
He is the ultimate Jedi. "
Anakin is "The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.
He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it. "
A breif example of Obi and Anakins' synergy: "He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover his composure-that had been entirely too close-but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a reverse ankle-sweep- But not only did Kenobi easily overleap this attack, Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord un-:eremoniously to the floor. This was not in the plan. Skywalker slammed his following strike down so hard that the shock of deflecting it buckled Dooku's elbows. Dooku threw himself into a backroll that brought him to his feet-and Kenobi's blade was there to meet his neck. Only a desperate whirling slash-block, coupled with a wheel kick that caught Kenobi on the thigh, bought him enough time to leap away again, and when he touched down- Skywalker was already there. "
"Skywalker came on, mechanically inexorable, impossibly powerful, a destroyer droid with a lightsaber: each step a blow and each blow a step. Dooku backed away as fast as he dared; Skywalker stayed right on top of him. Dooku's breath went short and hard. He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to guide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to-strength-not only did the boy wield tremendous reserves of Force energy, but his sheer physical power was astonishing- "
"[Anakin] was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen."
Dooku got away from Anakin "Only to find himself again facing the wheel of blue lightning that was Kenobi's blade."
"Kenobi met every one of his thrusts without so much as moving his feet, staying perfectly centered, perfectly balanced, blade never moving a millimeter more than was necessary, deflecting without effort, riposting with flickering strikes and stabs swifter than the tongue of a Garollian ghost viper, and when Dooku felt Skywalker regain his feet and stride once more toward his back, he finally registered the source of that blinding defensive velocity Kenobi had used a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataro and Shii-Cho had been ploys, as well.
Kenobi had become a master of Soresu. "
"The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker-
Skywalker was getting stronger.
Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade.
He decided he'd best revise his strategy once again...stairs that led up to the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higher
ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious.
That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze and now Kenobi was back in the picture: with a shout of the Force, he shot like a torpedo up the stairs behind Skywalker..."
"He understood how Skywalker was getting stronger. Why he no longer spoke. How he had become a machine of battle. He
understood why Sidious had been so interested in him for so long.
Skywalker was a natural.
There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart should be, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training. He held the Force in the clench of a white-hot fist. He was half Sith already, and he didn't even know it.
This boy had the gift of fury. "
Anakin and Dooku "stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see..."
"Anakin's mind is clear as a crystal bell.
In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.
Decide.
So he does.
He decides to win.
He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair. The hand falls with a bar of scarlet blaze still extending from its spastic death grip, and Anakin's heart sings for the fall of that red blade."
I don't feel like quotesnatching anymore... I'll have more later...
Bold, Cap locks and teh exclamation mark > you, I win.
The fact that he has never used one before doesn't change the fact that he knew every move and sequence there was to the blade. It's directly stated, so if given the blade, he would be able to wield it to the same effect.
He's directly stated to know every move and sequence for Kas'im's saber staff (which includes forms 1 to 7, and more, seeing as Kas'im furthered the forms). Unless you can prove that the 7 saber forms were furthered since that particular time period, you have no case.
That's great, it still didn't grant them the skill to take down Dooku together. In fact, Obi-Wan's very presence holds Anakin back.
This is relevant, how? Neither Obi-Wan or Anakin are as great a duelist as Kas'im, and neither use forms that Bane is unfamiliar with, so your point is?
No clue...
Please, just watch the movie, Anakin never displays exceptional speed whatsoever. Nothing that compares to what I just posted.
The armour's not even that heavy, I mean it's not like Vader's armour or anything; it's not bulky, and weighs like only 15 kgs tops, but sure, to a degree they would, however the advantages given in terms of speed far outweigh the disadvantages.
I'm not saying that Bane's strength alone grants him the win, I was just pointing out every attribute, and showing how Bane easily beats both of them in every way... But really, as strong as Durge was, he was nowhere near as skilled as Bane.
Not at all, but not quite on Bane's level.
That movie Mace and Yoda can do? Hell yes.
Understatement of the year.
Lol, sure thing.
You know, I will say this: I've always appreciated those nice posts of yours, they're very creative, and I give you mad props for them, but the thing is, we can perfectly see how skilled the movie characters are, based on..that's right, the movies aka the highest form of canon, and they don't match up to some of the non-movie powerhouses. EU material can never change that, because it can't possibly supersede the movies, which firmly puts characters like Anakin and Obi-Wan on a low level. And the passages that you posted from the novelisation fightscene are invalid anyways, as they directly contradict the movies. Really, the duo have no chance in hell.
If Anakin is in "teh zone", then he - by himself - will defeat Bane in lightsaber combat without pushing himself to his limits. If not, they might win, but it'd be a lot harder.
That's not how it works. According to the interview with Mathew Stover provided by Lightsnake on EoD, everything that was in the novel was there "because Lucas wanted it to be there". Which means that the explanations - if not the exact choreography - and the narrative itself is still canon, which means that it still applies.
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I know that everyone consider the movies the best form of Canon but in this case perhaps we should look elsewhere since Banes feats are based on books which doesn't suffer from the problems of filming them like, the fast movement how would that look in a film a character moving so fast that none could see him.
These might sound dumb but it is only a suggestion since the feats in a movie and the feats in a book isn't comparable
I say Bane takes this. I mean, he's stronger than Dooku (I believe we will all agree on that, eve, Rampant Ox ) and we saw how Dooku fared against these two - he took Kenobi out, so Bane will too. However, as opposed to taunting Anakin and pissing him off, thus ending up dead, Bane will probably remain silent, as that's how he seems to normally fight, and also he won't be getting tired like Dooku was beause his Orbalisks supply him with an unlimited amount of adrenaline. So after taking out Kenobi he'll be able to beat Anakin.
btw, I loved the dialogue.
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That doesn't change the fact that anything which contradicts the movies is rendered invalid.
[quote]Which means that the explanations - if not the exact choreography - and the narrative itself is still canon, which means that it still applies.[/quoe]
Narrative dependant on invalid events is rendered invalid. That is the case here.
Feb 4th, 2007 10:51 PM
) and we saw how Dooku fared against these two - he took Kenobi out, so Bane will too. However, as opposed to taunting Anakin and pissing him off, thus ending up dead, Bane will probably remain silent, as that's how he seems to normally fight, and also he won't be getting tired like Dooku was beause his Orbalisks supply him with an unlimited amount of adrenaline. So after taking out Kenobi he'll be able to beat Anakin. 
