Not sure, imo depends on whether or not Kun's amulet blast will go through Bane's armor of it Bane's armor will protect him from it. If it penetrates it then Kun wins. If not, Bane wins.
Kun has his ancient sith techniques that died with him, the amulet, and the raw force abilities. Furthermore, if it comes down to a battle of blades, he wtfpwns Bane.
Overrate Exar Kun? Besides the fact that he was EXPLICITLY stated as a saber prodigy, that he defeated his master as a padawan, and he has developed a saber and style totally unique and unknown to Bane. Bane was never stated nor shown to be any kind of sabe prodigy. So Bane doesn't have more going for him, and you've lost this debate way too many times.
1. Kit Fisto was also explicitly stated as being a saber prodigy. Do you rate him higher than Bane?
2. Source, quote, page number?
3. Proof that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy? Becoming one of the best saber duelists (2nd best most likely) in an entire order of darksiders that basically excelled at dueling supports him being a prodigy. Virtually beating Kas'im (it was as good as a defeat, the passage and Kas'im's own admission makes that clear), who in my eyes is a top tier duelist and definitely above Kun with less than 2 years experience with a saber also supports him being a prodigy. Until you can prove that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy, which evidence seems to suggest, you have no case.
1. Where was it said that Exar was a padawan? The NEGtC states that Masters trained their students for some time even when they became knights.
2. You do realise that Exar Kun grew to his peak only 6 months after he had 'defeated his master as a padawan', so the feat itself pretty much loses its value based on that fact alone. If say, he defeated his master as a padawan, and then subsequently had decades to improve, then maybe I'd hold the feat in higher regard.
3. You do realise that Bane was able to (virtually) defeat Kas'im with less experience than Kun, right? Vodo's no Kas'im.
1. Bane practised under Kas'im's advanced and perfected forms, which are beyond the standard form that Kun knows.
2. Bane also can utilise a saber staff in a duel, with said forms, and Kun is 100% unfamiliar with any form of saber staff (except his own).
There, those are two ways in which Bane's form is unknown to Kun. Advantage - Bane.
Perfectly memorising every single move and sequence to the saber staff with as little time as Bane has doesn't support him being a saber prodigy?
Utterly demolishing (and I mean that, he completely annihilated him) Sirak while holding back for most of the duel (who I'd rate above Vodo, given that he was so quick that he could move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms, and was literally worshipped by the entire BoD for being their greatest rising star) with only about a year's worth of experience doesn't support him being a saber prodigy?
As good as (the 'as good as' may seem to take something away from the feat, but it actually doesn't. Bane could have killed Kas'im in saber combat, but was careless and arrogant and gave Kas'im the time and space to pull out two sabers, of which the style was unfamiliar to Bane) defeating Kas'im with less than two years of training doesn't support him being a saber prodigy?
If constantly refuting your points counts as losing, then you'd be correct.
Proof that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy? Golly gee, we already know you can't debate for shit, you asking me to prove a negative reinforces that belief. Nothing suggests he was the second best and nothing suggests the order was at all powerful. In fact, everything points to the contrary. Virtually beating Kas'im? You mean the guy that trained him and all the moves he's aware of, and he still couldn't beat him? Nobody cares what someone ranks in your eyes. Sorry francine, but denial isn't going to help you anymore, especially with your shitty debating skills.
Ask Advent she has the sourcebooks but he was indeed a padawan.
One of the dumbest things I've ever heard but you're full of them daily. Again nobody cares what you think of anybody especially since you can't apply logic to a debate.
You do realize that your argument gets destroyed everytime you mention this crap, because Kas'im trained Bane.
Yet another stupid statement that doesn't warrant any kind of response except quit while you're behind.
Yet another baseless assumption. You're a dumbass. He created the entire method, why would he be unfamiliar with it.
I don't think "you're an idiot" even begins to describe you.
Realizing every move of Kas'im and still losing? No
Worshipped by the BOD? Rated higher than Vodo? Good god I wish someone else would see this piss poor argument. If by annihilate you mean prolongue the fight because that was the only way Sirak would lose, then ok. Just shut up.
What a moron. That kind of bullshit assumption is like me saying "Well Kun could have destroyed the galaxy but he didn't want to". That's how stupid you sound, so just stop.
Yea, I guess those antidepressants are kicking in seeing as your post has been the dumbest I've seen in months. But you're used to getting wtfpwned in every argument.
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Right right bane nearly got killed and he shit in his pants when kasim turned to jar kai. Bane nearly got raped until he was lucky enough to unleash a force wave to shake down the temple to crush kasim. Bane being a saber prodigy my ass.
Dumb fool. in TOTJ it was stated exar is a padawan indeed. Stupid imbecile
No no no! bane nearly got his cock ripped off when kasim turned to jar kai, a form the "saber prodigy" never saw or even heard of before!
OOOO so that means if i learn under the best fighter in the world that means i am the ultimate fighter? Hell no, bane only memorised kasims movement and when he changed styles and patterns we hear bane "WAHHHHHH!" cry
Thats so stupid i do not even know where to start
While the fact remains that when kun was using a single saber against vodo, vodo could keep up, and when he switched on the other end of the saber, vodo became unfamiliar and got his ass wiped.
Same thing with bane, he shit when kasim turned to jar kai, an unknown form and just to let you know bane frequently uses djem so
No because when you change sequence and style, it throws you off balance as kyle stated in jedi academy
simple no.
He defeated kasim through the force moron damfool. Yes bane could have killed kasim had kasim stuck to his original frequent forms, But had kasim been smart to use jar kai at first, no way in hell bane can even stand up for the fight
Yes he was, ask Lightsnake. Also, why are you ignoring what I posted afterwards? I want proof that Kun was stated to be a saber prodigy, and I'm guessing it doesn't exist seeing as you ignored me the last time I asked as well.
Wow, somebody knows how to copy IKC, impressive. Now please Sexy, don't be dense, I've already provided evidence that supports Bane being a saber prodigy, I've already provided evidence that simply being a saber prodigy really doesn't mean much since virtually everyone noteworthy is, so to put it simply, you would only have a valid point if you could prove that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy. Good luck.
Bullshit.
1. He utterly outclassed and demolished Sirak, who was the second top BoD student. The same students who when they became Masters were more powerful than pretty much the majority of the then current Masters.
2. When he was owning Quordis with the force, Quordis seemed to agree with the idea that Bane would have been able to own him as badly with a saber. Quordis was one of the top Masters of the BoD, head of the Academy in fact, and he would have had to have at least some decent saber skills.
3. Kas'im was the best BoD duelist. The fact that Bane virtually defeated him when both were on equal footing suggest that he was basically better than him. The only reason I'd still put Kas'im above Bane is because he can duel with two blades, which Bane is unfamiliar with, otherwise overall he'd be the best. Kas'im is the only one who possesses that advantage over Bane, however nobody else does, hence Bane being #2.
Bullshit.
1. That specific Sith Lineage had been fighting the Jedi in constant warfare for hundreds of years, and were the most martial sith order ever. Wartime naturally brings out the best in warriors, and generally produces the best of them.
2. Dueling techniques were the most prominent form of training in the BoD, indicating that the BoD held dueling skills in high regard, indicating that overall the BoD excelled at dueling, indicating that you fail. So unlucky.
Want to cite a few examples?
Wow, so many things wrong with this post.
1. Bane knew all of Kas'im's moves, but the same applies to Kas'im, he also knew all of Bane's moves. Moot point.
2. He as good as beat him. He had him defeated, but chose to savour the victory and gave Kas'im the time to regain his composure. By Kas'im's own admission, Bane had him beat.
3. The only time Kas'im was able to beat him was with his dual sabers, of which the style was completely foreign to Bane. That's the only time, however when they were on equal footing, baen was dominating, and even had the chance to defeat him.
You fvcking rate Kas'im as well as I do you fricking moron.
Is this actually supposed to be funny? Really, what is it with you and flaming? I could understand if you were actually good at it...
I'm asking you. Not that it matters, either way, my other point remains.
Wow, clearly the point flew over your head. Not surprising. My point was that the feat itself doesn't mean much as there wasn't that tremendous an improvement rate until the end of TSW.
What the fvck don't you get about Kas'im knowing Bane's moves as well as Bane knew Kas'im's?
How the fvck is it stupid? I'm essentially proving how Bane's form is as alien to Kun (if not moreso) as Kun's is to Bane. You see, this is why I don't fricking respect you as a debater, and rate you on Kadesh's level.
Wow, you're still dumb. Exar Kun was the first to create the saber staff, as well as the form he used with it, however knowledge of the form died with Kun. Now seeing as those who created the weapon and the form for it afterwards had no such knowledge to work from, they would have had to create a completely different form. Thus, Bane doesn't know Kun's form, and Kun doesn't know Bane's.
Look, I don't come to this forum to argue with angry old men that insult like first graders, so please either argue, or stop wasting my time with this bullshit. Bane's form is even more alien to Kun then Kun's is to Bane, deal with it.
1. You completely ignored what I was saying, please reply to it.
2. Why the fvck are you still twisting this shit. When Bane lost, it was because Kas'im was using an unfamiliar weapon and form. When Kas'im was using a form that Bane was familiar with, Bane had him beat. What the fvck don't you still get about this.
Yes. The students believed he was the Sith'ari. The Masters gave him even more attention than they did Bane. Kaan had been mentoring him for years even before the academy was built and was like a father figure to him. H even believed that he had the potential to surpass any of the then current BoD Masters.
Did you just fricking ignore what I said? His speed and mastery of the saber was pretty insane. Vodo has none of that shit going for him, so yes, I'd rate Sirak above him.
WTF? Look Sexy, I have no time for liars, so if you continue, I'm not going to debate you. Here are the facts: Bane was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's form in mere seconds, and could have ended the fight as quickly. However, he only wanted to prolong the fight because he wanted to tire him out first, and then humiliate him. Now when he actually chose to end the fight, he did so in a heartbeat, with a manoeuvre faster than Sirak could see/react to, and one that completely fecked him up. Bane owned him. Please, quit lying.
Erm, no. You have no logical basis for making such a ridiculous assertion. It's completely fecking different.
Right, which is why you've had to resort to ignoring my points, lying and acting like a jackass. Sure thing.
I'm ignoring you because it's stated in sources either lightsnake or Advent have, and i'm sure as soon as they see your crap they'll post.
What a buffoon. As soon as someone makes an argument that destroys yours(always), that person is always copying someone. You've been embarassed enough just by posting. Not to mention you haven't proven jack shit about Bane being a saber prodigy. But I forgive you because you're under the delusion that if you type, you're making point. You embarass yourself even further by telling me to prove a negative. Good going dumbass, self pwnage.
This doesn't make him a saber prodigy, it makes him great with the force.
Except nothing points to the BOD being anything impressive.
Let me get this straight, because he almost defeated him but lost, that makes him better than him? Wow, you really are a dumbass. But again nobody cares about your argument when you realize Bane knew Kas'im's every move and still lost.
The KOTOR era was more warlike than the PT era, but the PT Era as a whole produced more impressive warriors, thus destroying your pitiful argument.
Yet another baseless assumption indicating self pwnage.
Judging by your ridiculous response, I have trouble believing you even know what a moot point is. You brought up the fact that because Bane almost beat Kas'im, that he was a lightsaber prodigy, and I destroyed your argument by stating that Bane knew all of Kas'im's moves and still lost. Now you adding your irrelevant misdirection renders your point moot. Great going once again dumbass.
Sure he did, I forgot that your word>authors
They stalemated but good try.
You're embarassing yourself, so continue.
You haven't made any points. Wonderful denial.
That statement was as dumb as your original one.
Nobody cares about your opinion nor your respect as you are the worst debater on these forums with 0 credibility.
You're right, you come to this forum to get completely embarassed.
Stalemate, francine.
Who gives a shit? Nothing states or even shows that the BOD masters were anything special.
More self pwnage
For someone who lacks any kind of logic or common sense, you're one to talk.
Well, you've been pwned once again Noobaris. Please keep up this embarassment by continually posting nonsense, i'm sure everyone's getting a laugh.
Of course not francine, because you've been wtfpwned once again and you are smart enough to save yourself the embarassment and just keep quiet. First intelligent thing you've ever done on this forum. Thumbs up big guy.
No it's because I'm smart enough to know that you're one hell of a persistent fvck and will keep on replying no matter how many times I own you so I don't see a point in replying to you.
Awww that's cute francine more denial? I feel bad for you because you've never won a debate on this forum and yet you try so hard to tell yourself that you have. It's almost adorable!
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