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the spectre vs lucifer
who holds ultimate power?
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May 23rd, 2008 07:33 PM
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Lucifer beats The Spectre.
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May 23rd, 2008 07:34 PM
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Lucifer.
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May 23rd, 2008 07:34 PM
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lucifer
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May 23rd, 2008 07:46 PM
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If God wants Lucifer dead, Spectre is the hatchet man he'd send.
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May 23rd, 2008 07:54 PM
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In a comic where they met, Lucifer told him to get out of the way since he was blocking his sun, and he meekly obeyed
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May 23rd, 2008 09:58 PM
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Spectre being courteous, doesn't equate to Lucifer having superior power, imo.
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May 23rd, 2008 10:10 PM
Endless Mike
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Spectre got his ass kicked by Michael. Lucifer > Michael
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May 23rd, 2008 10:11 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Endless Mike
Lucifer (possessed by Fenris) > Michael (after falling from God's graces)
Fixed.
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May 23rd, 2008 10:12 PM
Endless Mike
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They were both seriously beat up and weakened at the time, Fenris didn't give him any extra power, just inhabited his body
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May 23rd, 2008 10:26 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Endless Mike
They were both seriously beat up and weakened at the time, Fenris didn't give him any extra power, just inhabited his body
Except Michael had broken wings while Lucifer's wings weren't broken, which, if you read the series (or the battle for that matter), is their greatest source of power.
Plus Michael was trying to get Lucifer to snap out of the mindrape, not fight him, so your claim that Lucifer is greater than Michael is incongruous.
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May 23rd, 2008 10:31 PM
Endless Mike
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Well fine then, but how come Lucifer and Michael are generally treated as equals?
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May 23rd, 2008 10:32 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well fine then, but how come Lucifer and Michael are generally treated as equals?
Becuz one is the power, and the other is the will. Both needed to create creation. And lucifer can also defy God's wishes.
May 23rd, 2008 10:33 PM
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Well... Michael, Lucifer, and Gabriel were Yahweh's first 3 creations and they each had their own respective roles in shaping the universe. While Michael is more powerful and was originally intended to be Yahweh's successor for the universe, Lucifer has his wits and fulfilled the plan by being rebellious. Yahweh even states the slightest doubt he had in his plan was which one he would choose as his successor. The power that each character possesses doesn't necessarily equate to level of treatment they receive.
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May 23rd, 2008 10:42 PM
Endless Mike
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No, I mean in their dealings with each other, it was never implied Michael was more powerful and could just push Lucifer around like he did to the Spectre
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May 23rd, 2008 11:22 PM
Air Legend
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Michael's name implies it (Demiurgos- second only to God). Hell Lucifer, who's extremely cocky and arrogant, offers Michael a partnership in ruling his creation, almost explicitly recognizing him as an equal. Also when an angry Michael vows he'll destroy anything because there is nothing he loves enough to spare, Lucifer doesn't say something witty implying he is more powerful like he always does, he simply receives the statement.
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May 23rd, 2008 11:30 PM
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Demiurgos means creator, doesn't it? In greek....
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May 24th, 2008 12:45 AM
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Wrong quote.
May 24th, 2008 04:48 AM
Harbinger
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Air Legend
Demiurgos means creator, doesn't it? In greek....
Yes. Supreme architect.
May 24th, 2008 04:48 AM
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Michael certainly isn't more powerfull than Lucifer.
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