Chance Encounter???? Since when does Reed have the fighting abilities of someone like Batman who has gone one on one against tougher adversaries..and Won.
Sure, Reed is awesome with prep...and inventing gadgets to do God knows what...but, he's not the fighter Batman is.
You think Reed can take out Captain America, Black Panther, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Daredevil, Wolverine, or anyone like that hand-to-hand...I think not. And in a chance encounter...that's all this would be.
As far as prep goes...Bruce can prep with the best of em. Bruce has gadget's that will take out Reed...and vice versa...it all depends on who's gettin' hit first.
Also.....this is the ***damn Batman in this thread. He pwns any and all with the Batkick....Reed included!!!
Yep, sure can. And not because he's more skilled; his power-set allows him to laugh off their best efforts. He can slam them into walls, choke them out, restrain them, etc. They can't do a damned thing about it.
I agree...it could go like that....but, Batman has been in worse situations than that before. First, what would happen if Batman tangled Reed's arm up around a post of somekind. Would Reed have the physical strength to break loose? Bat's utitlity belt holds some amazing things....stuff that can hurt even Reed Richard's. Who's to say Reed would not be hit by anything before he could even grab Batman?
Tangle his arm up? Unlikely. Reed's not exactly a n00b with his powers. That kind of tactic would take too long to accomplish and would leave Batman open to attack.
Sure, Batman's been in plenty of shitty scenarios, but any time he beats anyone who is physically superhuman (like Clayface, Solomon Grundy, etc) in h2h combat, it's just plain retarded. He's only a normal man; it doesn't matter how skilled he is if he doesn't have enough force behind his attacks to counter his opponent's durability.
What's standard gear for Batman? Anything he throws can be bounced off of Reed. Besides, who's to say Reed couldn't simply detain him as he's reaching for a weapon?
all of batman's fighting skills pretty much add to jack against reed's physiology. take into account that reed can not only defend anything he does, but he can go offensive by mimicking at least class 40 strength (maybe more iirc) by inflating his musculature.
batman needs gadgets to win.
1) nod to reed, but if batman is geared up it can go either way. reed 6/10
2) 1 hour prep for either of them could mean anything...literally.
I do agree with you...it may be retarded for Batman beating guys like that...but, that's the way it is. You have to remember....Batman has seen guys like Reed before. Plastic Man? Elongated Man? Reed's powers would be nothing that Batman hasn't seen before. Also, Batman has a contigent plan to take down just about anyone...I'm sure Plastic Man is included.
Reed has a weakness to extreme temperatures. Batman's standard equipment includes a flamethrower...and other gadgets to cause temperature fluctuations..that can affect Reed.
I'm not saying Reed couldn't knock Batman out...but, Batman is more resourceful than what people are giving him credit for. Batman has the stuff to stop Reed.
It's cool. It's not impossible for Batman to win, but he'd need the right weapon and be quick on the draw. H2H is not an option for him here. Though I've got to admit, I'm all for Reed in this match for the reasons I listed above, and because I think sometimes Batman gets too much credit.
I agree...Batman wouldn't win hand to hand. I think Batman could get some wins over Reed due to the kinds of weapons he has in his utility belt...and the fact that Batman has seen guys with Reed's physical powerset in DC. Earlier, I went too far when I stated that other fighters could take Reed hand to hand....what I meant was their skills as being accomplished hand to hand fighters....and the fact that they've fought well against superhuman opponents that exceed Reed. For example, Cap has held his own against Spiderman, etc.
No, he has it in his belt...actually...it's a mini-flamethrower. Batman also has thermite grenades...and an acetylene torch that can be used to cause extreme heat temperatures..if needed.
I agree. Reed is invulnerable to all hits of batman's strength level as well as nearly all projectiles (hell, he can even reflect them back with accuracy) so unless batman immediately went for high or low temperature weapons from the get go, he's done.
in a no prep situation, this is pretty unlikely before reed KO's/restrains/smothers him.
With prep we're looking at reed's resources and genius vs. batman's. I'd probably give it to reed there, too.
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