How would Dar'Khan Drathir fare against the Nosgothian lord Kain? The battle take place at the Isle of Quel'Danas by the Sunwell and this would be Dar'Khan at his strongest against Kain as he's seen in Legacy.
Kain is severed from the Nosgothian source of power and only has his standard powers without infinite fuel. Durations and effects are limited to as they are encountered in the game, and Dar'Khan isn't allowed to absorb the Sunwell.
Dar'Khan is allowed to use the land of Quel'Danas in combat and Kain can't be effected by the necklace of Dar'Khan.
The reason I'm making this thread is because I think that Dar'Khan and Kain is roughly the same level of power. I think it would be the most even Kain Vs. Azerothian fight.
ok nice to see an actual limit placed on Kains fuel to avoid the banter that goes backwards and forth about Kains magic source.
So Kain can do what? can he cast spells? can he use all his Nosgoth abilities yet their limited to the usage and durations shown in the gamepaly?
just want to get that straight.
Further questions are what has Dar'khan done exactley? what would you claim to be the move list that he would follow to stop Kain? whats stopping Kain from doing the ability i outlined recently in the Kain vs Demitri thread?
Some of the feats I'm having problem uploading. This will have to do for now. I'll gladly explain anything you don't understand in any of the providen feats. I understand some accomplishment can be confusing if you aren't cunning in the Azerothian schools of magic and the various spells and magicians that can be encountered.
So how are they useful against Kain? most of these abilities sound fairly useless, especially reacting to the 200-300 millisecond teleport Kain can do to cut Dar'khan in half, their Tk seems similiar and most of his spells like the energy ones did not actually hit anything so their of unkown power. The only thing he can seem to do is detect that Kain is magical and perhaps hope to cut off Kains air supply
An energy ball generally has the destructive power to shatter furniture (The Last Guardian), send grown men flying from the shockwave of it striking next to them (Rise of the Lich King) and generally has the ability to take out common beasts (Wolves and the likes).
Technically, the energy ball is merely an arcane blast in the form of focused magic.
As for Kain and his teleport, Dar'Khan has proven decent reactiontime (Him blocking the dagger being one) and is not much different from Kain in terms of reaction time. Even would Kain teleport and end up behind him with intent to strike, Dar'Khan still has a chance to react given how Kain has to both reappear and swing his blade before his attack will have taken any effect.
Given Dar'Khan being a prominent tracker of magic, he'd sense Kain the moment he appear behind him and react accordingly. As seen in his telekinesis feat, Kain can be sent flying with a thought.
We should not be forgetting the fact that Dar'Khan not only tanked actual blunderbuss rounds capable of damageing a dragon (I can get a scan of that as well), but regenerate from it immediately. A cut isn't deadly, and given how Dar'Khan showed that the blunderbuss didn't even penetrate his body, it would take a good amount of strength to properly cut him in half. Strength I have yet to see Kain manifest.
I have to agree with Rapidash. This fight could go either way. Dar'Khan doesn't have as many damage feats as Kain, but Dar'Khan is better at staying alive and his telekinesis is more potent.
Well obvioulsy its useless then since damaging furntiture and wolves is not going to bother Kain.
Ive not seen all teh story about the dagger, youve shown me him stopping a dagger in the air but I dont know the distance that it was thrown, whether or not Dar'khan had some other advantage over the thrower such as knowing he was coming etc and yes Kain has to reapear but the moment he does Dar'khan is pretty much destroyed, theres no chance of him turning and using a spell effectively since kain strikes pretty much instantly as he appears. Maybe but with a thought? looking at his TK the guy gestures a lot with his hands and it may take a moment of concetration as well for all we know and dont forget Kain could do the same with his own Tk, as well as chain Khan in the air with telekinetic chains and to stop it all Kain would have to do is turn to mist.
Khan was definaltey damaged and perhaps dragons are not as resistant as you would first have me belive if a blunder bus, a fairly old and not necesserily deadly weapon can damage it, it would depend on the round and whether it was the same one that hit the dragon tht hit khan, can you show me the round exactley?
My bio shows that kind of strength and Kain does not need sterngth, his blade is sharp and has penetrated thick solid rock with ease and thats when its the blood reaver, a far far weaker weapon than the soul reaver. The blast looked more of a small explosion, not a direct damage attack like Kains sword, Khan would loose his body and his soul.
Better at staying alive? TK more potent? Kain using repel shield and teleportation can keep himself from any and all things Khan could probably do to him and furthermore a quick mist could survive the rest and Khan has similiar TK, in the scan of Tk rapidash shows him tossing some men around, men far lighter by the looks of them than Kains targets.
What has Kain ever done that compare his telekinesis with that of Dar'Khan? The only feat I've ever seen brought up is him throwing that guy around in the room. Even if Kain doesn't have as light enemies, does those he throw around compare to the weight of four elves combined?
The link providen by Rapidash does not only show that Dar'Khan can throw people around with at least as much force, but also that it's done with a thought rather than with a gesture. To my memory, Kain require a gesture to use his telekinesis.
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How do you know it was 4 elves combined? the scan is not as clear as all that, it could have been one at a time or a couple at a time, fact remains Kain can throw around fully armoured up soldiers, those lightly clad elves do not compare.
Its done through mental rather than a gesture you mean, as i said before a thought cannot be argued unless its stated, he could take concentration time or a moment of projected focus.
All irrelvent, its no use against Kain and Kain can do the same thing to khan....
lol but how? by feats hes done very very little to even harm Kain, even if he has monstrous durability and is immune to kains nasty one hit defeating spells the guy may as well be flinging around a paper sword to try and destroy Kain.
I'll have you take in consideration that his movement of the arm is drawn as a blur so the move is faster than initial glance might imply.
Dar'Khan didn't know he was coming, but as he turned around he noted the dagger and destroyed it. Given how incredibly strong the warrior that threw the dagger is, it did travel at a high speed.
Dar'Khan uses handgestures for various spells, but not all. Telekinesis is one example where he apply with thought rather than gesture and in Azeroth, that type of move is called "at will", which is a type of casting.
Dar'Khan has cast a protective spell as well as used telekinesis with a though. Kain require time to react and move as well and while fast, not fast enough to outspeed Dar'Khan. Assuming Dar'Khan isn't holding back and going all out, Kain will be countered by the time his blade would hit Dar'Khan.
Let's also add that there is a lot Dar'Khan can do that isn't included in the panels. He is an adept spellcaster of Azerothian calibur. While not on the same level of Krasus or Jaina, he does have a good amount of attack spells.
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Not sure if its possible, but one way he could do it would be to telekinetically rip the Soul Reaver out of Kain's hands and hack him to death with it. I don't know whether it would kill him or not, but it seemed to work on Raziel. Plus apparantly the Soul Reaver is an uber-haxxed weapon.
Hes only tossed around people in light clothing by the looks of the scans, certainly not overpowered Kain who is at least a 30+ tonner, maybe more and besides Kain would be teleporting about so quickly it wouldnt be such an easy plan to just grip it out of Kains hands, and then to kill Kain with it? Kain only needs one of his soul spells or blood shower to kill Khan if in his undead form he requires blood and he likely needs a soul. Or he could possess Dar'Khan with his own soul anyway.
And using repel shield Kain could become effectively immune to Khans magic. Its an almost impossible task to kill Kain if your Khan, and probably nearly as difficult to keep alive.
And wat do you mean the Soul reaver is an uber haxxed weapon?
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