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Xel'lotath vs Sheogorath

This is MADNESS!

Win, lose or draw?


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Sheogorath is a cosmic warping god, is he not?


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Xel'lotath wins so unbelievably hard. Sheogorath's head explodes and she just laughs.


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Yeah, but this is MADNESS.


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Xel'lotath wins so unbelievably hard. Sheogorath's head explodes and she just laughs.


I have seen nothing impressive from Xel'lotath.


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I have seen nothing impressive from Xel'lotath.


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And Sheogorath can apparently warp the cosmos. That > That vid.


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Losing to Chattur'Gha doesn't discredit Xel' at all. Chattur'Gha is crazy powerful.

Besides, the game is specificly set up to go:

Xel' > Ulyaoth > Chat' > Xel'


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Know that =l


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So, losing to paper doesn't make rock any less .. rock. no expression


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Rock losing to paper is the biggest amount of PIS ever


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Rock losing to paper is the biggest amount of PIS ever


Rock punches a hole through paper.


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Yeah, not seeing anything really impressive here. no expression

Sheogorath has pulled a moon from space and sent it crashing on Vivec, if it were not for Vivec, who stopped it, the city would be destroyed. Actually, fun fact, when Vivec lost his power, said moon came crashing down once more and destroyed the city of Vivec and even caused Red Mountain to erupt.

Sheogorath has, as you know, created a pocket dimension the size of a small country, at least, that is how it seems, yet if I recall right the dimension is filled with its own stars and sky, anyone who enters the Shivering Isles seems to be driven mad as well.

Also, did Sheogorath not once drive an entire country insane upon a whim?


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For Xel'lotath, pulling down a moon is completely negligible.

She manipulates time and space on a whim, not just the population of a country.

For most of the game, she inhabits a reality composed entirely for herself, and it takes thousands of years for multiple individuals to gather the tools to summon a different cosmic Ancient to stop her, because no mortal had any ability to do so at all. Like many of Lovecraft's entities, simply seeing Xel'lotath's form is enough to drive men mad.

Sheogoroth is outclassed.


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For Xel'lotath, pulling down a moon is completely negligible.

She manipulates time and space on a whim, not just the population of a country.

For most of the game, she inhabits a reality composed entirely for herself, and it takes thousands of years for multiple individuals to gather the tools to summon a different cosmic Ancient to stop her, because no mortal had any ability to do so at all. Like many of Lovecraft's entities, simply seeing Xel'lotath's form is enough to drive men mad.

Sheogoroth is outclassed.
Uh-huh... So did the Aedra. They literally created the universe. The Daedric Princes are just as powerful, with the probably exception of Akatosh. Sheogorath, hell, every Daedric Prince, can create their own reality, Sheogorath's comprises of the Shivering Isles and seemingly other stars. Not one Daedric Prince has been bested by a mortal while it was at its full power, Hircine was just an aspect, noting it will be no challenge if he fought him at full strength (He was fighting the Nerevarine, you know, the guy who took out Dagoth Ur, who was more powerful than the entire Tribunal combined while they were in their prime).

Lovecraft's many entities are often overrated to be perfectly honest. Sheogorath drives you mad when you step into his plane of Oblivion, you do not even need to be in his presence.

Seriously, what has she done? Give me more than just that she can warp time/space, any Daedra or Aedra worth their salt can do that, feats nucka.


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Uh-huh... So did the Aedra. They literally created the universe. The Daedric Princes are just as powerful, with the probably exception of Akatosh. Sheogorath, hell, every Daedric Prince, can create their own reality, Sheogorath's comprises of the Shivering Isles and seemingly other stars. Not one Daedric Prince has been bested by a mortal while it was at its full power, Hircine was just an aspect, noting it will be no challenge if he fought him at full strength (He was fighting the Nerevarine, you know, the guy who took out Dagoth Ur, who was more powerful than the entire Tribunal combined while they were in their prime).



That's nice. No Ancient has been bested by a mortal while at full power, either. Any that would have tried would have ended up gibbering mad or with their heads asploded. A Guardian aspect, almost like a lesser avatar, of Xel'lotath casually popped the head of a mortal who had stumbled upon the lair it was protecting.

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Lovecraft's many entities are often overrated to be perfectly honest. Sheogorath drives you mad when you step into his plane of Oblivion, you do not even need to be in his presence.


Xel'lotath does this same thing, only her madness affects the world outside her dimension. People don't need to go to her to be consumed by madness, they just need to go about their daily lives. smile

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Seriously, what has she done? Give me more than just that she can warp time/space, any Daedra or Aedra worth their salt can do that, feats nucka.


Converted a hardened Roman Legionnare into a lich of unspeakable mental powers with a simple touch from an artifact containing her essence, a portion of her own unique energy.

Planned the assassination of Charlemagne the Frank, even so far as to have a backup plan when the original failed (have him look at a cursed scroll that would blast him with eldritch power and make him fester alive).

As was shown via the video earlier, defeated the Omniscient Ancient of Magic, Ulyaoth. His intelligence was not match for her psychosis, and she drove him into insanity before destroying him.

That's a few of them. I'm about to get some grub, and I'm too lazy to continue typing, so there. stick out tongue


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That's nice. No Ancient has been bested by a mortal while at full power, either. Any that would have tried would have ended up gibbering mad or with their heads asploded. A Guardian aspect, almost like a lesser avatar, of Xel'lotath casually popped the head of a mortal who had stumbled upon the lair it was protecting.



Xel'lotath does this same thing, only her madness affects the world outside her dimension. People don't need to go to her to be consumed by madness, they just need to go about their daily lives. smile



Converted a hardened Roman Legionnare into a lich of unspeakable mental powers with a simple touch from an artifact containing her essence, a portion of her own unique energy.

Planned the assassination of Charlemagne the Frank, even so far as to have a backup plan when the original failed (have him look at a cursed scroll that would blast him with eldritch power and make him fester alive).

As was shown via the video earlier, defeated the Omniscient Ancient of Magic, Ulyaoth. His intelligence was not match for her psychosis, and she drove him into insanity before destroying him.

That's a few of them. I'm about to get some grub, and I'm too lazy to continue typing, so there. stick out tongue
1. Wow, that's so interesting. And absolutely none of it points to Xel being as powerful as an Aedra or Daedra. Attack Sheogorath in Oblivion. You end up thousands of feet in the air, falling into a pit of spikes. An avatar of Mehrunes Dagon destroyed the city of Mournhold and required Sotha Sil and Almalexia of the Tribunal to stop him, a single one of the Tribunal has flooded continents and stopped the descent of crashing cataclysmic moons with a gesture.

2. The only thing that keeps the Daedra from wrecking havoc upon the world is the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Aedra. And even then, the Daedric Princes can affect the world in various ways, Sheogorath in particular would often inspire the Dunmer of Morrowind with madness to make them fight amongst eachother, for lulz I assume.

3. Lorkhan, who was either an Aedra or Daedra, can remember, had his heart severed. The Heart of Lorkhan was able to empower the Tribunal with immense, seemingly godlike power, Vivec has flooded countries as I have said, and Dagoth Ur, who also had the power of the Heart, was stronger than all three combined.

4. Kay, that's cool. Has no bearing in a fight, but pretty kewl. Sheogorath managed to not only mastermind a plan to stop his plane of Oblivion from being destroyed, but was able to return to his original form of Jyggalag and pass the mantle of Sheogorath onto another.

5. I am gonna call hyperbole on this. erm Because an omniscient being is not capable of having their mind altered, they know all. Not like driving Sheogorath mad would do anything... That would be rather redundant, would it not?


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Wasn't Jyggalag one of the most powerful deadric princes? Isn't the reason why all of the other deadric princes joined up and split Sheogorath from Jyggalag because he was offending them with his orderly ways or something?


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Wasn't Jyggalag one of the most powerful deadric princes? Isn't the reason why all of the other deadric princes joined up and split Sheogorath from Jyggalag because he was offending them with his orderly ways or something?
Jyggalag was indeed growing too powerful for the other Daedric Prince's likings, so he was turned into the thing he hated most. Although it should be noted it is not elaborated on what they meant by too powerful, it is possible they meant he exerted too much influence over Mundus, it was too "orderly."


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Also, Jyggalag knows exactly what actions a being will take thanks to the Formula of Jyggalag.

"The great library was the height of logic and deduction. Contained within its walls were the logical prediction of every action ever taken by any creature, mortal or Daedric. Every birth. Every death. The rise of Tiber Septim. The Numidium. Everything. All predicted with the formulae found within Jyggalag's library. When Sheogorath discovered the library he had it burned, insisting that it was an abomination and that personal choice defied logical prediction. I am all that remains of the knowledge contained within the great library of Jyggalag." - Dyus


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