Enter the Dragon was horrible. Not even good choreography. Not to mention like Bruce Lee fights anyone with martial arts experience in his movies. I dont like his movies at all actually. Anything with Gordon Liu is awesome.
Instructors of Death
8 Diagram Pole Fighter
Shaolin vs Ninja
Challenge of the Masters
Shaolin Master Killer
Fists of the White Lotus
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I enjoyed two movies with Jackie Chan quite a lot, sadly I am not perfectly aware of the English or Chinese title, but I think that is what imdb told me:
Se ying diu sau - Snake in Eagle's Shadow (1978)
Jui kuen - Drunken Master (1978)
i havent seen the 'shootfighter'.
and i think most of jackie chan's movies are best kung fu movie ever.
jet lee is other style of kung fu movie, i also like his movies very much.
Man, you guys must not watch Gordon Liu. He's the best ever. Seriously, check these out: INstructors of Death, Shaolin Master Killer, Shaolin and Wutang, Fists of the White Lotus, Eight Diagram Pole Fighter. Those are just a few. He is sooooooooo crisp its amazing. Also, no stupid wires. I HATE wires!!!!!!!! So fake. Nothing against Jet Li, but you know......
However, Shaolin vs Lama is the best ever. I have seen many of the movies you guys mention. They are great. But once you see Shaolin vs Lama it will change everything you have ever thought about martial arts!
Saw Gordon Liu in 36 Chambers, more like a bloated studio pdt with a studio star more than a martial artist. I will watch Jet Li played three section staff in Shaolin temple than amateurish three section staff played by Liu. Jet Li used wire when exaggerated action was requested such as the seven kicks in midair in Wong fei hung. Most of his modern pics do not or use very little wire: Shaolin temple triology, The Master, Dragon fight, Meltdown, Enforcer, Defender, Hitman, LW4, Kiss of dragon, Unleashed. Also donnie yen used insane amout of wire in iron monkey and wire is all over the place in the final alley sword fight in seven swords, and the fight with jackie in twin effect. wire is sometimes used to hold back the force on a stuntman or to increase the dramatic flair eg a kick that sends a stuntman ten feet away w/o hurting them. it also depends on what kind of movie you are making eg wuxia where people can fly, wire must be used.stop quoting like wire is the privilege of Jet cause it isn't
Quoting from Jetli.com
That wasn't all I learned from Tsui Hark ...
Occasionally, the script demanded that our characters perform bizarre and improbable feats. Case in point: Wong Fei-hung's "No Shadow Kick." A few of us protested, feeling that the audience would find it impossible to believe that a person could land seven kicks in mid-air. But Tsui Hark insisted on it. So we all had a lively argument about this issue. Of course, the director's vision always wins out, so we agreed to respect his decision. But I remember asking him, "Don't you think that this kick is a little too exaggerated?"
He replied: "You've forgotten one thing. Once the audience begins to sympathize with the character, he can't do anything wrong. Even if he does something slightly superhuman, they're willing to suspend their disbelief. The audience is already wrapped up in the character and his story; it's not like they're watching the No Shadow Kick out of context. So when I plot out each move, I often ask myself: 'If I were watching this as a member of the audience, would I be able to keep up with the idea that is being conveyed in that instant?' They might miss it altogether. Remember, a fight scene may take one to two months to choreograph and film, but the audience experiences it in a few seconds. It's never just a matter of the physical movements."
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There are so many indeed...I'd pick these five:
The Drunken Master
5 Deadly Venoms
Master Killer (a.k.a. 36th Chamber of Shaolin)
Master of the Flying Guillotine
Enter the Dragon (one of my top 10 favorite films of all time)
Make that six!
Iron Monkey!
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I always liked Enter the Dragon best, but good runner ups have to be Drunken Master, MOTFG, Iron Monkey, and (I don't care what anyone says) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
Go rent Shaolin Vs Lama. It is the BEST one ever!!! Trust me. I collect kungfu movies. Its like 100 times better than Enter the Dragon. Seriously! lol Then again, the kungfu in Enter the Dragon isn't good at all, bad choreography. I dont like any of Bruce Lee movies though. Greatest martial artist, worst movies though. Or rent Shaolin and Wutang or Instructors of Death. They'll blow your socks off too!
Somebody put Five Deadly Venoms as their fav. Man, if you like that, you might not be able to keep up with these other three movies. The kungfu is lightning faster. Truly unreal. Check them out.
Personally, I don't even consider MOTFG a "kung fu" movie in the least. It's a Chinese "Gladiator" if anything. There's so little martial arts in this movie I don't see how it could be otherwise..
Lots of gimmicks, lots of different unique characters, all to mask bad choreography.
I hoping one of you will somehow find Shaolin vs Lama just so you can see what kungfu really is! i collect a lot of kungfu movies. I have over 400 films. It all depends on what turns you on. If you are into wires, and superpowers, then Lord of the Wutang is crazy!!!!!! But on a more realisitic note, Shaolin vs Lama and Instructors of Death pretty much top the top. Hey, Bruce Lee gets my respect more than anyone, for being a fighter!,( well except Goku! lol) The way he called out everyone in the arena and said he would beat them in less then a minute, and then actually did it, is amazing!!!(He really did that by the way) But his movies SUCKED! Shaolin vs Lama............thats choreography, thats a story, that's REAL, that's KungFu!!!
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