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Tongue Hulk vs Optimus Prime and the Fallen

Movie Hulk vs Optimus Prime and the Fallen

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who wins ?


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Which Hulk?

I know most people will say Hulk stomps, but I think the Cybertronians have a chance here.

Prime has potential to decapitate or severely injure Hulk with his energy blade. His other energy weapons pack a punch too.

The Fallen can teleport as well as levitate the Hulk into the air where he'd become immobile, letting Prime dish out punishment on him.


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Originally posted by Placidity
Which Hulk?

I know most people will say Hulk stomps, but I think the Cybertronians have a chance here.

Prime has potential to decapitate or severely injure Hulk with his energy blade. His other energy weapons pack a punch too.

The Fallen can teleport as well as levitate the Hulk into the air where he'd become immobile, letting Prime dish out punishment on him.
2008 Hulk


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YEah, that Hulk dies.

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Before your thread gets closed specify where the fight takes place. We are also to assume that this is standard Fallen and standard Optimus Prime: no super power form for Prime, right?


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Why would this get closed?

The Cybertronians ftw.


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The fallen can just TK Hulk into orbit, can't he...?

And if not, The Fallen could be holding Hulk the air, whilst Prime blasts or cuts him to bits with the afformentioned energy weapons.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would this get closed?

The Cybertronians ftw.


You have to include a location for the fight to take place.


Else some dewsh can come along and say, "I assume the fight takes place behind Hogwarts shields in which case, no technology works, so Hulk Solos."


Or something to that effect.


To create a thread, you have to have a setting or a venue.


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'08 Hulk would lose. '05 Hulk, which tanked a nuke, would rip the Crybertronians, who were harmed by 50. caliber bullets and RPG's, in half.


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'08 Hulk would lose. '05 Hulk, which tanked a nuke, would rip the Crybertronians, who were harmed by 50. caliber bullets and RPG's, in half.


Indeed. More specifically, the Lee Hulk also had a healing factor and the Leterrier Hulk did not.

Lee's Hulk only got one scratch from the nuke and it healed within seconds.


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Hang on, the only this they got messed up with were Sabot rounds. Not necessarily regular arms fire.

As impressive as 2005 Hulk's feats were, I believe them to be neutralised here, as The Fallen would just TK him off of the floor whilst Prime went to work, again, or would send Hulk skyward to orbit.


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Hang on, the only this they got messed up with were Sabot rounds. Not necessarily regular arms fire.


Well, the feats are inconsistent, which is a bit homo.

In the first film, Blackout single handedly took out an army base. It was also shown that 'normal' arms didn't do jack (including .50 cal) and they needed 'high heat sabot rounds' to do any real damage as it was implied as their particular weakness.

In Transformers 2 though, all this was kind of muddled up as Cybertronians were being damaged by all sorts of lesser weapons I believe (could be wrong).


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"Sabot rounds" are not "special", don't let the movie fool you. They're basically just armor piercing, stuff you'd use to take out enemy armor. That's it. It's not like they're some sort of futuristic high tech special rounds or some crap. People use them in hunting rifles.


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Sabot rounds" are not "special", don't let the movie fool you. They're basically just armor piercing, stuff you'd use to take out enemy armor. That's it. It's not like they're some sort of futuristic high tech special rounds or some crap.


Yes, we've already discussed this in long detail. I don't know if it was with you or DDM.

Sabot rounds aren't special, neither are HEAT rounds, but the combination of the two actually don't exist. So it is special and 'futuristic high tech' in a way.

Anyway, it was implied to be their particular weakness, kinda like kryptonite.


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Well, obviously not since they've been destroyed by other forms of ammunition. It's their "kryptonite" in the same way that a sabot or HEAT round would be the "kryptonite" of a tank.

It's non-sequential though really. Point is that '03 Hulk has tanked much more powerful things than sabot rounds and can easily dish out much more damage than a heat or sabot round, ergo he'd crush any transformer.

That's also non-sequential though I guess, considering this isnt '03 Hulk.


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Well, obviously not since they've been destroyed by other forms of ammunition.


Not in the first film, which as the point I was making.

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It's their "kryptonite" in the same way that a sabot or HEAT round would be the "kryptonite" of a tank.


Ah, but its not a sabot or a HEAT round. Its a "High HEAT SABOT round", which doesn't exist.

Its also not accurate to say that its the 'kryptonite' of a tank (in effect, attempting to ignore the fact that it was THE particular weapon they needed to harm the Cybertronians, (again in the first film)) since a tank can be destroyed by many other things: land mines, sabots, HEAT rounds, missiles, misc explosives etc etc.

Kryptonite implies a unique and specific weakness.


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Why are you proscribing purely to the first film at all? One of the people in this thread didn't even exist in the first film.

That aside, that's a limitless fallacy. It was never stated nor implied that the only thing that could harm a transformer is a sabot or heat round.


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Why are you proscribing purely to the first film at all? One of the people in this thread didn't even exist in the first film.


Actually, I said their feats are inconsistent. I pointed out what happened in both films. You chose to challenge my points/feats I made for the first film, and I've done my best to explain them.

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That aside, that's a limitless fallacy. It was never stated nor implied that the only thing that could harm a transformer is a sabot or heat round.


Not really. I'm sure sufficient force such as from a nuke would take them out. Thats overkill, but just an example.

Again, a Superman analogy (lol):

While kryptonite is well known to be one of Superman's few weaknesses, it is not a limitless fallacy. As you may well know, he was killed by Doomsday via brute strength.

Having a weakness does not imply you are invulnerable otherwise.


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Transformers for the win.


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Sabot rounds" are not "special", don't let the movie fool you. They're basically just armor piercing, stuff you'd use to take out enemy armor. That's it. It's not like they're some sort of futuristic high tech special rounds or some crap. People use them in hunting rifles.


Well regardless of what the rounds were called, the way it was explained was it was the high heat involved with the particular rounds being used being so high that the TFs couldn't deal with it.

But yes, the consistancy in the Bay movies is dire.


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