I have read book entitled "Islam in focus" written by Hammudah Abdalati who lived in canada, a renowned late Islamic scholar in North america. The life story of Muhammad began his peaceful propagation message with the arab tribal groups but later part of his life and revelations he became intolerant to arab tribal groups and the with christians and jews. During chaotic times and oppressions between tribal and religious groups in arabia and followers of Muhammad(muslims), He wen to wage war and commaded his muslim followers to kill the infidels until they believed in Allah, the god of Islam. He then became a successful religio-politcal leader in the arabia.
I happened to read a passage in that book which stated: ".... if there is any religion or constitution to guarantee peaceful freedom of religion and forbid compulsion in religion, it is Islam and islam alone..." as stated in early revelation of sura 2:256, “There is no compulsion in religion”. But for me this is not entirely true. In the latter revelation of Muhammad's life, this teaching is abrogated by later verses which state that Islam is to be “shown” to people of other faiths who, if they refuse to acknowledge, accept and follow it, are then are to be slain (suras 9:5, 47:5, and 8:39 among others) in which Muhammad became intolerant with others.
The book is biased because it does not touched upon the totality of Quran/Islam. Hence, we could see in the contemporary islamic law(shariah) and in many Islamic countries, only the religion of Islam was compelled to believe and any muslims who wish to leave(apostate) islam will be punished or beheaded.
Is Muhammad a religious saint or an intolerant political leader? Is islam a religion or a more political ideology?
Last edited by mahasattva on Dec 22nd, 2007 at 04:29 PM
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Re: Muhammad's religion under scrutiny
As opposed to mainstream Christianity that says even if a man never hears of Christ that same man must be placed in an eternal fire. Stoning was never condemned by Christ, he merely placed a requirement on the one doing the stoning.
The Bible is full of similar comments to one not of the Christian faith.
When you hold a mirror up to someone else hold it up to yourself. I do not know your religion, but I doubt I could not find statements that are off in yours as well.
The Islamic faith is a wonderful thing, it has many wonderful teachings. Interpretation by those with their own agendas in mind always distorts things. I cannot trust you in regards to the Nation of Islam.
Of course he isn't a saint, because that's a Catholic concept. And it's argued and commonly believed that Muslims follow Moses more than they do Mohammed.
so now buddism is a religion? make up your mind about this ideology either it is or it aint a religion, still all philosophies are brainwashing mass suggession. follow this and that, does buddism advocate itself or do they have people out to "marketing it" if they do it is "brainwashing" if not , well it wouldn't attract attention so yes in the end brainwashing
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Yeah, because obviously its imposible for an intelligent person to seek religion and practice it entirely on his accord right? The billions of theists in the world clearly are the mind-zombies of guys in suits.
That's a major complaint I have agianst the outspoken anti-religion Atheists. Dawkins, Hitchens this anacona vato fixate and focus their comtempt of "fairytales" on the Abrahamic religions. I wanna tap Hitchens on the shoulder and say "You know...this may come as a surprise, but uh....there's more than just three religions in the world." I have yet to hear Christopher Hitchens acknowledge the existence of Budddhism, Hinduism, Native American religions or any religion that doesn't involve Abraham.
nah only the leaders wear the suits fited, how many percentage of those following a religion is influenced by their parents, by the likes of being draged to the church/temple/moske before they are at the age of making thier mind up what this is all about?
__________________ Lord save me from your followers
never argue with an idiot, they only drag you down to their level and beat you by experience
These are basic principles what the Buddha teaches:
"Doubt everything and find your own light...."
"Don't believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But after observation and analysis, you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept and live up to it."
Buddhism is essentially nonauthoritarian, democratic, scientific and based on insights obtained primarily through individual efforts towards enlightenment or self-perfection. The community of Buddhists are mainly to encourage and mutual support to one another in faith as life are interconnected that support and nourish with all other things. It is also a practical of human spirit which is unity "many in body but one in mind" towards a common goal which selfless and altruistic behavior and not self-centered and egoistic existence...
Last edited by mahasattva on Dec 23rd, 2007 at 04:03 AM
so the temples are just for show then, the monks in their yellow and red sheets are what freaks or just buddhists in uniforms, and again Dailai Lama is what?
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never argue with an idiot, they only drag you down to their level and beat you by experience
Nothing? Why nothing? If you have your complaints about it because you don't like every single aspect about it, that's understandable, but why is nothing about Islam wonderful? Do you know enough about it to say something like that, or is everything you know about Islam based on what you see on the news?
Believed to be an incarnation of the Buddha.
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Last edited by Quiero Mota on Dec 23rd, 2007 at 04:50 AM
Dalai Lama is not only a religious leader but the head of political state in Tibet. I am not belong or associated with tibetan tradition. So, its not my position to speak on their culture.
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ROFL, punks of the world unite under the flag of Buddhism...
Buddhism basically teaches the punk version of religion from your description here. Skepticism is just as brainwashing as solidarity.
I do not quite understand your question. I believe you interpret the Qur'an in error. I do not believe the message of the Qur'an for interaction with non Muslims is violence. I believe the message is attempts at peaceful coexistence. I believe some fanatical Muslims and some non-Muslims such as yourself interpret the Qur'an as violent. I know many Muslims, and they are a wonderful, peaceful, moral people, unlike many western people.
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