Didn't Captain Marvel die from a mega bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy a continent or something and Superman really had a hard time dealing with Cap's magic? Not the greatest showcase of durability, but it's been too long since I've read Kingdom Come, so I'm not sure about the exact circumstances.
It's true, if Superman and Billy had taken the explosion at ground zero or whatever, there was a very real possibility that they could perish (At least that's the vibe I remember getting) but not all writers think elites should be casually smashing planets etc. It shouldn't be held against them imo.
I think Team 1 is physically superior to Team 2 (Unless Thor goes Warrior Madness or some unlikely shit) but the hammer brothers aren't limited to their physical strength. They're overall more powerful and versatile which balances things out. Could go either way, mostly depends on how Team 2 decides to play it.
I'm of course assuming that Kingdom Come Superman's showing in the mainstream DC counts as a bench mark.
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Are you sure about that? I remember a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee discussion about that and I was always saying that he did not transform back.
Not even one panel shown him actually transforming back.
I understand your logic behind it, since he yelled it three times, starting off as Captain Marvel > 1. Billy > 2. Captain Marvel > 3. Billy, but it was shown in the past more then once, that they don't transform back, if the lightning hits something different at first, but all of these lightnings were hitting the bomb, trying to penetrate the bombs force field and then the third lightning hit the bomb and the bomb went off.
Now you could say that the third lightning not only hit the bomb, but also Billy, since it went through the bomb, but I simply don't know.
He was there when the bomb took off and the last panel shown him as Captain Marvel before the explosion.
When the bomb went off it took the combined efforts of Green Lanterns and others to create a force field and protect a bunch of heroes from the explosion.
Superman proved once again, that he has a serious durability, since he was not under the force field, but took the bombs blast from far away, while it destroyed all of the other heroes and villains who were not under the super-force field.
But Superman got hurt by Captain Marvels lightning. Having bloody eyes and bleeding out of his ears, while kneeling down. It really did some heavy damage to him, so he didn't really easily shrug it off, and I feel that Thor and Beta Ray Bill would be able to harm him with their magic as well.
I'm not saying that Team Marvel wins, but I would say that it wouldn't be that easy for Team DC to win.
I was personally never imperssed by KC Superman. There was some weird guy on Comicvine, who was basically only reading Kingdom Come and saw few scans of other comic book appearances and he was sooooooooo impressed by that Superman version, even though it was just weird.
His arguments:
1. KC Superman kicked Gog's magic back to him ... yet he had some real problems with Captain Marvel's magic, who got killed by a continent busting bomb.
2. He took Hercules' punch without even flinching, while the regular Superman had nose-bleed after Hercules punched him ... yet KC Superman was expecting the punch, while Superman got caught off guard.
3. He broke free from Justice League's grip and flew away, leaving them no chance to follow him ...yet the the Justice League rosters were bobs with Power Girl as the strongest person who was trying to restrain him. Additionally some guy tried to increase Superman's gravity by 100 or something, which is still pathetic. Then KC Superman flew away with sonicboom speed.
4. KC Superman had 10 years of solar radiation absorbtion ... yeah, good for him.
5. KC Superman had sex with Wonder Woman ... I wouldn't be proud, because of that.
These were basically the feats everyone always posted on Comicvine. I would be glad if the people here know more feats, because everything I saw about KC Superman there wasn't impressive at all.
I personally don't know much about KC Superman, since my knowledge is basically limited on the Kingdom Come arc.
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im not reading all this. I read the comic, he reverted back, unless you have an article from where Alex Ross states otherwise your not going to convince me with conjecture.
People like you are making me so angry.
What's the problem with reading stuff? Do you don't have enough free time? What's the point in being on a forum in the first place? You're wasting time every single time you login in, look through the threads, read and response.
It will not help you out in the future at all. Why don't you leave this place and use the time to learn a new language or something?
My freakin' something ...
And he did not revert back. It was never shown and it should be a well known fact, that Marvel's do not revert back, if the lightning hits something else and in his case the lightning clearly hit the bomb and not him. Period.
Is was obvious he was more powerful when they had hercules busted supermans knose with an elbow and knocked him into building, then he kc superman completly no sold the attack and proceede to one shot him
Ok, I'm looking at the scan right now and all I see is Billy saying Shazam 3 times in a row and the next page there is a massive mushroom cloud with lightning all around it.
So I don't see how one can make an argument either way but given the characters' histories, I find it very unlikely that Superman would weather the detonation and not Captain Marvel if Captain Marvel was still himself and didn't revert to Billy.
Captain Marvel was at the core of the explosion, many, many, many foot up in the sky. The took all of it, maybe even shielded a good amount of it with his body, but it was still more then enough to kill all the heroes besides Superman with the blast wave, BUT ... if I remember correctly, then it was a bomb with the potential to destroy an entire continent, yet the entire ground was perfectly fine, since the bomb didn't go off while being on it, but in the miles and miles and miles in the air.
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