Classic Dr Strange stood up to the IG, beat Shuma Gorath, etc. Oh and he beat Mantis hand to hand, who put down Thanos and Thor with some kinda nerve hold.
Warlock didn't even bother moving before he started using the Power Gem and Strange was desperately using every artifact and talisman in his possession, that he shrunk down before he came there.
The strong majority of them can come back, and that applies to every herald and below who can teleport others as well. Hell, Nightcrawler can theoretically port heralds to different dimensions
He's been knocked out by them when he used the bands of cy. Using deflective shields and spells to stop their power. Trying to stop a rape basically. Etc.
Everytime he's "dispatched a herald without too much trouble" can probably be matched 3 to 1 of the times he's lost to them or lower beings. Probably like 10 to 1 actually...
What does Adam have to move for? It's the gauntlet for Christ's sake.
Everyone knows the context behind that confrontation. You said he looked pathetic but was far from it.
You already lowballed with that IG affair so I expected you to nitpick and point out low showings regardless of context. You and I specifically have bumped heads a couple times in the past on this exact same issue. I don't care nor do I have time to break down every specific instance again.
All I want is for you to answer this question:
Does a SERIOUS Classic Strange not have the tools (non prep) necessary to beat any MU herald more often than not?
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He didn't put any effort into it.
Yes, he didn't look pathetic scrambling to find spells to counteract Warlock toying with him. In a 'fight' where he had all his artifacts unlike a VS thread. All he ended up doing was reversing what Warlock already did to him. That's not a stalemate.
Lowballed? The thing isn't even relevant to VS threads in the first place. Plus, it's not like I'm the one who said he stood up to the IG (no context needed), and beat Mantis in h2h who nerve pinched Thanos...
What is the context of what I said then? I specifically mentioned him losing to Dr Doom when Dr Doom was making a huge ploy for power, getting knocked out by FrankenSurfer when he had deflective shields up, and him getting KO'ed after using UNBREAKABLE bands. Because apparently that isn't serious enough for you.
If I'm lowballing, then it'd be pretty easy for you to mention the times Dr Strange easily beat herald level beings wouldn't it like your original proposition?
If Dr Strange wasn't so easily knocked out, and his shields prone to fail? He'd still be Surfer level.
Now, I'd love for you to back up your original statement, and maybe provide some examples of Strange easily beating herald level beings. Deflection doesn't answer the question.
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^lol i think between the 2 of us over the last couple years we've pretty much at one time or another busted every dr strange myth that's been raised in the forum. yet....i still see the same old stuff, i still see him in matches against guys like odin, stalemating the IG, beating death, matching the LT, beating the inbetweener, etc, etc.... people will believe what they want to believe. strange IS powerful. just be objective regarding where he's placed in relationship to his peers.
as for the fight--not sure how new hal's ring is vs magic, but the old one could be wonky at times. i'd likely go with strange for a slight majority in this one unless new hal has better magical resistance than pre-reboot hal.
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I can't see either side really taking over in a power battle.
Either side can potentially one shot the other if they get through the shields, and I can see either breaking the other's shields.
I really think it's a coin flip. Though all my info is based off pre flash Hal, so meh.
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