Anti monitor. Mandrakk didn't show that much of feats, so CA superman beating him isn't going to give him the win here. besides, CA superman was hurt by the heat of ten billion suns, which isn't impressive at all compared to what AM can do to him.
Superman wins. If we follow what the superman beyond comic states, the armor is powered by the greatest story in comics. Which it turns out to be Superman's. Not to mention, Mandrakk and Superman were on a level that the universe was like what we view a globe to be. If I can recall correctly, Mandrakks nanotech was huge when they entered the multivere.
was it needed after it defeated Mandrakk? The Arbor was made because the monitors believed that the greatest story in comics was that of Kal El. The armor was powered by this belief, in order to defeat a being that pretty much no one in dcu can reach let alone defeat.
mandrakk is essentially featless, his best feat is defeating a weakened spectre (due to what cain did to him) and the radiant off panel. there are several beings in DC who could defeat him based on feats.
there are two different Mandrakk. The original, who sealed himself, but feed on the bleed for ever(blood of the supreme being), and the one who fought Spectre in fc7. That one never fed on the bleed, but only transformed recently.
right, forgot about that, but the second mandrakk didn't fight the spectre, it happened off panel (who was also weakened). First Mandrakk, except for statements doesn't have any feats to suggest that he can take AM at his prime.
the Spectre wasn't weakened. He just could not use his powers because the universe can't be judged due to the fact that the ALE took away free will. That however had nothing to do with why Spectre and the others lost. Having it happened off panel means what exactly? Mandrakk represented evil in stories, which is why he was the last villain in FC
Featless? Some what, but keep in mind, the monitors had tech that was destroying multivere without them doing anything. This tech was just nano, too small for them too see, yet in the multicerse, it was bigger than cities. Sure enough, their tech froze entire universes. This wasn't even their powers just tech. Not to mention, they have access to the bleed which only they can use, something which makes them un-killable. Mandrakk also had enough statement to judge his power level. Would you say the presence was weaker then galactus because of no feats
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But the Pre-crisis monitors isnt use tech to destroy universe,post-crisis monitors i think they are was different,in the pre-crisis only have two monitors,One is the incarnation is the matter of the universe，One is the embodiment of the antimatter universe
Technically, there was always just one. What Luthor was messing with in IC when he create the 52FC kinda structured or retconned what the monitors were.
The monitor(from COIE) was cloned into 52 of them. These monitors started to take shape, ideas..etc based on the universe they were in. But in FC Grant Morrison pretty much retcons the entire thing. He clearly stated in an interview that monitors were angels, the Primal Monitor was "God". Mandrakk represented the Evil that prevails at the end, it is outside of the DCU, which is why it feeds on it till there is nothing left.
This is what he said in interview in IGn about Mandrakk
"And then Mandrakk is actually the ultimate evil where there's no hope. The grave. He's entropy, I suppose. No matter how hard you try, this entity will consume the universe and you'll be sucked into the gaping, bulging Black Hole of Mandrakk. There are different kinds of evil, from existential evil to personal evil or stupid evil or whatever."
To say the very least, he is the end of comics, when people just stop reading it. I guess you can say that is how I see it. Mandrakk represented that. Superman on the other hand was powering the cosmic armor. It represented the story that defines comic, that is the greatest of them all. Zillo pretty much said stated that as well.
Feat-less or not, Mandrakk is much like death. It doesn't need feats for you to understand it's power, or idea. Going through SB1-2, you can noticed the tech they have, the power they wield just from staying in the monitor world. These guys, froze an entire multiverse, while it was being broken down by DS and the other gods just so Superman can come and fight the real enemy. Mandrakk would have eaten and destroyed DCU had that not happen. How? I don't know and I don't care. GM pretty much wanted you to know that's what would have happened without Superman
I mean,the Pre-crisis and Post-crisis was differnet because the PC monitor isnt use any tech to destroy universe,the Grant Morrison change everything,the monitor not a powerful cosmic being,just some High-tech race,they are power isnt universe level anymore,the pre-crisis and post-crisis is absolutely different
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