Browse the Cap vs Deathstroke thread. Then imagine that Deathstroke was slightly worse in every way and replaced all his hightech weapons with blunt instruments and ninja stars.
That's how this fight would play out.
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The only way Midnighter beating Cap makes sense is if criteria you are using to determine the outcome basically amounts to a two sentence bio on the back of a trading card. I could understand someone giving Midnighter the nod if all they knew about the characters is that Cap had low level superhuman stats, a healing factor and a high degree of combat skill, where as Midnighter had low level superhuman stats, a healing factor and a built in combat computer. In practice Midnighter's battle computer is hardly a deal breaker, he crushes nobody cans and z level parodies of established characters, which apparently some people find super impressive, but virtually any name has fought has managed to stalemate him... and Cap's exploits speak for themselves. Any objective consideration of the feats and history of the two characters will paint Cap as the clear superior. Midnighter has all of two feats that suggest he could maybe beat Cap... and they are both PIS.
This is like a fighter who has a padded resume beating nobodies in lesser organizations, coming in and getting a title match against one of the P4P greatest fighters ever. It's a joke.
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Midnighter, fairly clearly. Let's not punish him for being in a lesser-known universe, and lowball everything everything as a result. He has numerous feats to suggest he'd be able to not only hang with Cap but flummox him entirely. Some things are quite applicable across universes.
Bullshit. Cap has better strength feats, better speed feats, better skill feats and more impressive wins.
You say we should not punish him for being in a lesser-known universe? Well what should we do? Give him blow jobs for beating up featless nobodies? Cap has decades worth of feats, and he fights and beats people who themselves have decades worth of feats. It's only natural Steve would have the more impressive history... and he does. Midnighter isn't pulling of Plutonian style madness to offset his lack of appearances, and head to head he doesn't measure up.
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I hate to agree with Sranks crazy cap wanking but, its the same reason the watchmen aren't generally considered top level MA because the lack of names...
It's like being the Bellator or pride champion and showing up in the Ufc, you will have solid doubters with no way of arguing back...
I hope my rant makes sence
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If you took the best Captain America feats, and the best Midnighter feats, and showed them to someone who had never heard of either characters... they'd think Cap would win. On paper it might seem like Midnighter should win because of his power set, but his resume doesn't stack up. Objective review of what both characters have done will show that Captain America is a CLEAR superior.
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The general idea behind MNer backers is that he does the optimal action in every situation. If there is a way for him to win the fight, he does. They drove this point home in the Zealot encounter where they fought for hours, and the direct implication was that she fought without a hole in her defenses from someone of MNer's skill level because she's just that good.
He's got durability feats where he's no-sold hits that have sent him flying miles. And both direct or implied strength feats that make him clearly > peak human. My best estimate would have him in the 1-5 class range, which is probably where we'd place Cap. The Apollo fight and tank shell kick are brought up far too often, though without the acknowledgement that while they're probably his best feats, they're not without precedent in Authority comics. They're good feats, but not so anomalous that they stick out as PIS.
Of course volume hurts MNer and helps Cap. Such is life. I don't think it's outlandish to place him in the same tier or as Cap's better though, simply because what evidence exists lends itself to that conclusion.
I'm not adamantly opposed to Cap winning this. I can see the argument. However, I do think the nature of MNer's power set gives him the edge.
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