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turn your sig 90 degrees counterclockwise, replace orion with bats, and general's hand with kp's arse.....
well, it COULD happen.
a slightly more honest reply is....this is a toughie! lol dd has beaten KP down, so bats should be able to do so, but...KP has easily killed guys like castle, red skull and even spidey. so....depends on which version of KP...?
Gonna Say Kingpin. Without his gear I don't see Bruce taking out Fisk's superior strength and for a man his size surprising speed.
DD has only ever really beaten Fisk when HIGHLY freaking motivated (like when he found out Fisk had Karen Killed). Plus if memory serves in that story Matt's psychy was somewhat broken and he was less morally bound than normal.
Funny thing is Batman has better strength feats than Fisk does
Bruce 10/10, Kingpin was dangerous 30 years ago when most characters weren't as established, now he'd get his teeth knocked out by more than half of Marvel's street level characters. He was taken down by Lady Bullseye and a few hand ninja back in her introductory arc.
Bruce has punched through bazooka proof glass, KP overpowered Spiderman 30 years ago, show Kingpin doing anything impressive in the last 20 years and then will talk.
Batman any day, he's stronger, faster and a MUCH better fighter than Fisk. On the off chance that Bats can't hurt him by bulldozing Kingpin he knows pressure points that could drop him with ease.
Kingpin isn't immune to pressure points, Red Skull in Cap's body fought him in the Streets of Poison arc and said that his girth made him hard to hurt.
Besides the fact that Skull who has superior strength and speed feats to Bruce couldn't hurt him except for poking him in the eye (which he still lost) sort of proves Bruce would loose. Deadpool also has better stats.
Oh and FTR the symbiote wasn't thirty years ago. KP has defeated Spidey in h2H a lot more recently The last time was in 2007 that I recall (in case you can't do the math that's 7 not 30 years ago)
As with about 90% of KP threads, it depends on which version. Canonically, there was never a depowering. But in terms of how he was portrayed, there's a Spidey-busting KP from his inception to the early 90s, and a lose-to-streets KP from the mid 90s onward. The former could rip apart steel beams and overpower Pete in a fair fight. The latter, well, can lose handily to DD.
He didn't attempt to use pressure points, he was using standard punches on Fisk and couldn't hurt him, you can't make the argument that pressure points wouldn't work on Fisk when he's never actually resisted pressure points in the first place.
And no, Red Skull isn't even close to Batman in strength or speed, this was Red Skull using Cap's cloned body back in the 80's when Cap was only peak human.
Batman's strength and speed feats eclipse Deadpools too, we can compare feats if you want.
This was also the last time I recall Spiderman fighting Kingpin back in Amazing Spiderman 542, back in 2007
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the "vulnerable spots" Skull was referring to are joints (his knee, for example)... Skull was hitting him with solid blows, that's not at all the same thing as pressure point strikes.
Bruce has used pressure points to take down people with much higher durability than Kingpin.
The entire argument is ridiculous, there are tons of characters that can shrug off punches but still be suspect to pressure points, Batman has even used pressure points on Wonder Woman even though his regular blows wouldn't phase her.
Also nerves exist practically everywhere in the body, no amount of muscle mass would stop Kingpin's nerves from being exposed, and Batman knows every nerve and pressure point.
And lets be honest, even without pressure points Batman hits hard enough to send Fisk reeling.
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