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Revanchiste
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Naza-im Haj V.S Marka ragnos sword fight only.

Who win?

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Who the f*** is Naza-im Haj??


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I looked it up. he's referencing a character from a Role-playing forum


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Still better then saying anyone w/ Oneness > The Ones.


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What, you don't like the idea of Bariss Offe and Jax Pavin being able to curb the Ones?

I mean, sure they have nice feats, but shit... they're not exactly high up on the tier of people that achieved Oneness :geg

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Who the f*** is Naza-im Haj??


Dark Warlord Naza-im Haj
Harbinger of Darkness

Dark Warlord Naza-im Haj, leader of the Sorcerers' military, and the strongest combatant of the Sorcerers of Rhand. Originally a Human Sith Crusader who traveled to the Unknown Regions and never returned, he is now a Sorcerer of Rhand so corrupted by the Way of the Dark that his face is pale and shows signs of cracking as if he was made of stone, while his eyes are blood red, making him appear no longer human, but instead an evil statue come to life. One should not be deceived by his appearance however, for he moves with magnificent speed and is extremely strong physically, making him an excellent blades master. Still his weakness lies in his recklessness, as shown in his involvement, and orchestration, concerning the Bogo Rai Incident, and his lacking in the knowledge of spells, which were substituted with his sheer aptitude for melee combat, thus the reason he became Dark Warlord, rather than any other leadership position. In the end however, Naza-im will prove not to be easy to defeat even if faced by a Sith, or Jedi, Master.

The Sorcerers of Rhand
"Only power is real, and the only real power is the power to destroy. Existence is fleeting. Destruction is eternal."
―The core tenets of the Sorcerers of Rhand

A radical cult based in the Unknown Regions, the Sorcerers of Rhand are a rather powerful and feared sect of that Region. They are the result of the merger of three Sith Cults, and share the view that destruction is the will of the Universe. The Sorcerers are also extremely powerful Force Sensitives, even though they do not believe in the Force, instead they believe in the Way of the Dark. Still they are powerful enough in the Force that they can see into the future and summon apocalyptic Gods, in recent years however those Force Powers have waned off with only a select few able to even attempt them, much less succeed at casting them, but that does not make them weak, they are still capable of summoning powerful beings and calling upon magnificent destructive powers.

As a civilization their technology is rather modern with weaponry such as blasters and thermal detonators readily available to them, but they do not rely on such technology, instead they prefer using their force powers, or force imbued gear such as Force Swords or Force Armor for gear. This makes them extremely powerful and difficult enemies to fight, but then again they themselves are not the main component of their army. Instead they rely on summoned beings, or enslaved species from other planets, to be their grunts, with Sorcerers being the commanders, rather than fighting themselves.

Their government is a dictatorship with one person as its overall leader, named the Dark One or titled Dark Overlord, while other leaders are leaders of two specific branches rather than the group as a whole. One of the branches is the Military, the leader being titled Dark Warlord, while being called Harbinger of Darkness, and the second, is the branch that focuses on learning and practicing the Way of the Dark, the leader being called Keeper of Darkness or being titled Dark Master. Other ranks are as follows: Dark Knight (Master Level), Dark Crusader (Knight Level), Dark Acolyte (Padawan Level), and Darkling (Initiative Level and Normal Soldiers).

http://www.starwars-holonet.com/enc...iers-rhand.html

Lord Shadopawn is a pawn made by Cronel who appear in canon comic (err if you forget what disney says it's canon....) With lord vader....

They came from here...
http://www.starwars-holonet.com/enc...les-kanzer.html
And here as well :
http://www.starwars-holonet.com/enc...s-muspilli.html

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Well he look like this I found his face on many encylopedias that are talking about Rhand sorcerer rhand sorcerer are mentionnedseveral time in the book of the sith...

This is from Holonet :

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L'un des sinistres Sorciers de Rhand.
Image extraite du Livre des Sith

Translation one of the most sinister rhand sorcerer.
Image extracted from the book of the sith.

http://www.starwars-holonet.com/enc...ie/force-6.html

This page is a copy paste of the official encyclopedia the other organisation and others concepts of the force the rhand sorcerer are the second organisation on the list....(please log in to view the image)

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I looked it up. he's referencing a character from a Role-playing forum


Read what I have written and shut up before sayaing bullshits !

If A roleplaying forum take Boba fett and take a page of encyclopedia to describe the character? Does that make him non canon? Of course no ! I just have only this under my teeth because nobody care about rhand sorcerer no matter awsome they are !

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Still better then saying anyone w/ Oneness > The Ones.
still better than you super bias towards Revan


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still better than you super bias towards Revan


Because most the people around here don't really understand who really Reva is...

But that's not the topic around here.....May I take the info from a roleplay because I'm too lazy to rewrite and translate all that's written in the encyclopedia...

If I can copy paste.... Rôle play or not the character already exist.

So... May I have some extended info from :
WOTC - The Unknown Regions (SAGA Edition) Trade mak.. But still...

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We all know who Revan is, and let me tell you. Revan isn't god.


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In fact most people believe than they know Revan... But in fact they don't really understand...

Because of this :
DanielErickson
There is much that we obviously aren't revealing but I did want to clear up any misconceptions about what I was talking about in the interview.

Revan and Malak went into deep space and met the Sith Emperor. They were turned and sent back to prepare the way for the return of the true Sith.
Being Sith and away from the Emperor's direct influence neither Revan nor Malak followed orders exactly as they were supposed to. Then, of course, Malak betrayed Revan.
The Jedi took in Revan and returned him to the light, though as it was not a natural turn for him when he went dark, there was much they couldn' t undo and they decided to remove his memories and hopefully his taint with it. Yes, Revan's return to the light (and his gender as male) are canon.
Later Revan returned to deep space to confront what he knew was out there but how much he actually remembered and how clearly he remembered it is still a mystery, as are the events that followed. What we do know is that it took hundreds of years for the Sith to re-emerge as originally planned.

The rest is all speculation and have fun with that.

But people are devlopping the character.... There are spread clues in KoTOR 1 and two... They are hard to gather.... They are not all very precise.... You know than Revan knowledge is close to infinaite he have an insane power, he is really clever and cappble of cold decisions.... And that's it.

I mean the TRUE Revan is Darth Revan/Mandalorian war Revan....

We also know than he have the obssession to keep the control over his mind and in the same time still guided by passion...

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We all know all that stuff about Revan. But the fact is that Revan is a poorly developed character that equates to little more than a cash grab for bioware. And he is powerful but not as powerful as any of the Revan fans believe he is. For all the attention he gets its amazing that people don't realize that he has one of the worst stories in star wars


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Originally posted by WildBantha88
We all know all that stuff about Revan. But the fact is that Revan is a poorly developed character that equates to little more than a cash grab for bioware. And he is powerful but not as powerful as any of the Revan fans believe he is. For all the attention he gets its amazing that people don't realize that he has one of the worst stories in star wars


Yhea he have potential... How he is more power than fan of the 3.0 believe...
Needn't some flash effects.... Just replay KotOR 1 and 2 and review all the dialogs with HK-47 Kreia and Go-To...

"that he has one of the worst stories in star wars " if your talking about 3.0 I agree, if you are talking about the foundry I have to say I have appreciate the foundry even if there is some mistake, if you are talking about ToR the novel O.K the same than the foundry but this still find...

IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MANDALORIAN WAR AND THE STORY OF DARTH REVAN YOU'D BETTER RIGHT YOUR LAST TOUGH OF YOUR LIFE NOW.


Bastilia Holocron confirm than Revan have learn some technic during the mandalorian war and Kreia confirm than Revan knew the trayus academmy existance before the jedi civil and a way before the end of the mandalorian war.

One of this technic than Bastilia and Kreia confirm is the abilities to creat Dark side nexus cappble of converting Jedi by hundreds ! When people think than Palpa truning Byss into a nexus is a great feat they better watch Revan...

People that hate Revan fan even if they know than Revan is powerfull often underestimate him...

And by the way :
You can find also some holocron o Telos made by Aren Kae....

To find a feat of Revan this is often through multiple conversations.. You know than this happen you know than Revan have this power you know than Revan go there... This how you found a Revan feat most of the time and this is really fastidious as hell !


There is also a lot of Revan fan that believe in Revan redemption that is really underlined by ToR. But KotOR on the other side say the total Reverse :



Note : Revan a-t-il réellement connu la rédemption

A la fin de Kotor 1
Au nom du Conseil des Jedi, défenseurs de la galaxie et nobles protecteurs de la République, je tiens moi aussi à vous rendre honneur pour votre courage. Les Jedi auront désormais un nouveau chapitre à raconter dans le livre de l'histoire glorieuse de notre Ordre éternel... celle de la rédemption de Revan, le chevalier prodigue.

Contrairement à ce qui va être clamé partout au bon peuple de la République Galactique et aux Jedi (car Revan apparaît comme un héros de la République depuis la fin des Guerres Mandaloriennes et les peuples ont besoin de héros), la "Rédemption" de Revan pourrait n'être qu'apparences.

Mais seul un cercle très restreint de quelques Maîtres est au courant. Pour tout le reste de la Galaxie, y compris tous les Jedi, c'est un des secrets les mieux gardés :

Revan n'a pas choisi de faire acte de rédemption.

Pour qu'il y ait "rédemption", il faut qu'il y ait "expiation" des actes ou d'une personnalité antérieure or Revan est bien incapable d'expier quoi que ce soit de son passé de Seigneur Noir des Sith puisqu'il n'a plus de passé. Il n'est qu'une coquille vide et sans souvenir dans laquelle les Maîtres Jedi injectent une personnalité "gentille" qui n'a rien à expier. Cette nouvelle personnalité exécute ce qu'on lui dit de faire, ce que sa nouvelle personnalité artificielle lui dicte de faire, en attendant que des bribes de sa mémoire ancienne ne remontent à la surface ainsi que des bribes de sa personnalité ancienne. Durant Kotor 1, il n'est que l'instrument du Conseil Jedi, un jouet manipulé.

Certes, durant Kotor 1, il va lui être dit qu'avant d'être ce qu'il aujourd'hui, il avait été autre chose, mais le Revan d'aujourd'hui n'est pas le Revan d'hier expiant son passé, c'est un autre Revan qui vit une autre vie. Certes, le Revan artificiel implanté par le Conseil n'aime pas ce qu'a fait l'ancien Revan et va affronter les séquelles de ce passé et les détruire. Durant Kotor 1, il va, à plusieurs reprises, dire qu'il regrette, mais le regret est quelque chose de très éloigné de la rédemption. Il va, en quelque sorte, racheter les fautes de l'ancien Revan grâce à une personnalité qu'on lui a implanté, mais il ne s'affronte pas lui-même, il n'affronte que les conséquences de ce qu'il fut. Nous ne sommes pas devant un "ancien Revan" submergé de remords ou d'un impérieux besoin de repentir. Il n'y a pas, stricto sensu, de "rédemption". Il n'y en a que les apparences.

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Mais Revan a su se racheter. Cela doit bien être une source d'espoir pour vous, non ?

Maître Zez-Kai Ell
Je dirais simplement que Revan n'avait pas choisi de faire acte de rédemption. Je n'ai jamais été convaincu par ces membres du Conseil qui essayaient de se consoler comme ils pouvaient du crime qu'ils avaient commis.

Carth Onasi va encore plus loin (progression non canonique dans laquelle Revan est un personnage féminin) en parlant de ce qu'ont fait subir les maîtres à Revan. Pour Carth, ils l'ont transformé en pantin, en machine, dénuée d'humanité :

Carth Onasi
Quoi que le Conseil des Jedi ait fait, je suis sûr qu'elle possède encore une parcelle d'humanité.

Ses actes, durant Kotor 1, vont être présentés au bon peuple de la République Galactique et aux Jedi comme le "rachat" de son passé, sa "rédemption", parce que, politiquement et philosophiquement, il y a un impérieux besoin de le présenter comme tel et il est impensable de le présenter autrement. Il va devenir, une seconde fois, un héros.

Mais rien ne nous oblige, nous, les joueurs, à gober benoitement le même discours. L'esprit critique est une vertu. Arrêter la lecture de l'Ancienne République au premier degré est une insulte faite à l'intelligence de Bioware et d'Obsidian.

Ceci n'enlève rien à la puissance de Revan, celle de nous enthousiasmer, celle de nous attacher son personnage, celle de son charisme, celle de sa maîtrise de la Force... mais c'est dans le côté Obscur qu'il s'est accompli par deux fois (vaincre les Mandaloriens, fonder un Empire).

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Note: Revan had he really known redemption

At the end of Kotor 1
On behalf of the Jedi Council, defenders of the galaxy and noble protectors of the Republic, I too would like to give you credit for your courage. The Jedi will now have to tell a new chapter in the book of the glorious history of our eternal order ... that of the redemption of Revan, the Prodigal Knight.

Contrary to what will be proclaimed throughout the good people of the Galactic Republic and the Jedi (as Revan appears as a hero of the Republic since the end of the Mandalorian Wars and the people need heroes), the "redemption" Revan could being qu'apparences.

But only a very small circle of some Masters knows. For the rest of the Galaxy, including all Jedi, it is one of the best kept secrets:

Revan did not choose to act of redemption.

For there to be "redemption", it needs to be "atonement" acts or gold Revan previous personality is unable to atone for anything from his past Sith Lord Black SINCE he has no past. It is an empty shell without remembering where the Jedi Masters inject personality "nice" that has nothing to atone. This new personality performs what he is told to do, what his new artificial personality dictates him to do, waiting for scraps of his old memory back to the surface as well as snippets of his old personality. During Kotor 1, it is only the instrument of the Jedi Council, a manipulated toy.

Certainly in Kotor 1, it will be said that prior to it today, it was something else, but Revan today is not yesterday expiating his Revan past is another Revan living another life. Certainly, the artificial Revan implanted by the Council does not like what was done the old Revan and will face the consequences of that past and destroy them. During Kotor 1, it will repeatedly say that he regrets, but regret is something very distant from redemption. It will somehow redeem the mistakes of the old Revan with a personality that has established him, but he does not confront himself, he confronts the consequences of what he was . We are not in front of an "old Revan" overwhelmed with remorse or a compelling need of repentance. There are not, strictly speaking, the "redemption." There are only appearances.

exiled
But Revan was able to redeem himself. This has got to be a source of hope for you, right?

Master Zez-Kai Ell
I would simply say that Revan had not chosen to act of redemption. I have never been convinced by these Council members who were trying to console her as they could of the crime they committed.

Carth Onasi goes even further (non-canonical progression in which Revan is a female character) speaking of what has been subjected to the masters Revan. For Carth, they transformed into puppet machine, devoid of humanity:

Carth Onasi
Whatever the Jedi Council did, I'm sure she still has a shred of humanity.

His actions during Kotor 1, will be presented to the good people of the Galactic Republic and the Jedi as the "redemption" of his past, his "redemption" because, politically and philosophically, there is a pressing need to introduce as such, and it is unthinkable to present otherwise. It will become, again, a hero.

But nothing obliges us, the players, to swallow uncritically the same speech. Critical thinking is a virtue. Stop playback of the Old Republic in the first degree is an insult to the intelligence of Bioware and Obsidian.

This does not detract from the power of Revan, the enthusiasm of us, that we tie her character, that of his charisma, that of his mastery of the Force ... but it is in the dark side that s is performed twice (defeating the Mandalorians, founded an empire).

You lazy guy....

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For the next part I haven't enough caracter....

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Well Holonet and wikipedia insure than Rhand sorcerer are introduce in the canon by that RP so...

ANyway most of EU new content character are tested on RP most the time so....
He was in devloppement before disney show up..

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up !

If you count him as non canon you to count The KotOR campaign guide as non canon !!!

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