I say he gets to 4 - and Caedus puts a boot through his head. xD
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Your strongest to weakest arrangement is questionable in the light of canonical information.
Sidious, Vitiate and Plagueis - each have been labelled as most powerful Sith Lord in history in one way or form in canonical sources or officially promoted as cream of the crop. So the top order among the Sith should involve these 3.
As far as combat is concerned, these 3 Sith Lords will posit major challenge to Luke even in one-on-one.
I doubt that any Force-wielder can handle these 3 in a row. Not even Luke at his prime.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:57 AM
I thought the same thing while thinking it up. But then I remembered Bane's almost unparalleled lightsaber-feat and his insane Force technique/ability/power and knew he was likely above Plagueis and Vitiate.
I put DE Sid's above him, because I knew that was the most likely one to be above him.
Caedus is weaker than Vitiate (in the Force, at least), but probably more powerful than Plagueis (overall) - seeing as how he dispatched a Peak Mara and Peak Kyle (anyone familiar with their games/books and has followed their exploits closely is aware of how broken they became) and gave Force God Luke hell - so it likely puts him around Plagueis.
Yeah, Sidious and then Bane would definitely wear him down, and deplete his Force reserves.
Makes me wonder if Vitiate could mind**** him, afterwards.
Last edited by Rookwood on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Vitiate primarily focused on developing Force powers or increasing his command of the Force. His command of the Force was incredible by all accounts; you can notice that how long he lasted against all odds. More then once, Vitiate has taken on multiple powerful individuals simultaneously and prevailed. (Sources: SWTOR - Revan and SWTOR Encyclopedia) In combat ability, no other Sith would be a match for Vitiate accept maybe Sidious (at his prime).
As far as Plagueis is concerned, it has been hinted by a Star Wars author that he could handle Sidious in fair cirumstances (PT incarnation at least whom Yoda failed to defeat). Sidious realized this and decided to take Plagueis out "in his sleep" as he puts.
Bane is certainly among the most powerful Sith Lords in history (met the criteria of Sith'ari); but not as strong as you seem to imply. After all, his apprentice defeated him.
I can understand that a few Sith maybe a able to contend with Plagueis. But it is possible that Plagueis is more powerful or officially believed to be so.
As far as Luke is concerned, lot of hype surrounds him. He certainly can hold his own against many odds but this doesn't means that he can just walkover other powerful individuals in the manner as some fans claim. Even Luke has some realistic limits.
Agreed.
It is possible for Sidious to kill Luke with his extreme Force powers (e.g. Force storm), if he gets the chance to unleash such powers. I mean, let us be realistic here; IMO, this duel alone can end either in favor of Luke or Sidious. But even if Luke is more likely to defeat Sidious (at his prime), he wouldn't go much further. He is screwed in this gauntlet.
Certainly possible.
If Vitiate could mind-dominate 8000 Sith Lords simultaneously....... You can do the math.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 07:39 AM
I can't recall; does Vitiate have any Lightsaber feats, or no?
Nah, he pretty much allowed her to defeat him - If he had gone all out, he would have ripped her to pieces.
Hmm, such as?
I'm no Luke fanboy (partially why I loaded the deck against him, here) but I'm pretty sure he could at least get through Sidious and Bane.
Luke has his own share of hax, notably the ability to Foldspace, which would help him against Sidious's other destructive capabilities.
He'd beat Sidious down - especially since they aren't fighting on a Dark side Force Nexus. (Tatooine)
And Luke has the home-field advantage - he's fighting in his childhood home.
I forget if he was able to quickly dominate Revan, though.
I'd actually be willing to argue that Palpatine was possibly the most powerful sith lord ever as of ROTS. He has some of the greatest speed feats in the mythos that only very few have matched. His lightning was intense enough to reduce a sith spawn to ash, and strong enough to blast Yoda's lightsaber right out of his hands. He, along with Plagueis, managed to shift the force out of balance through a ritual (galactic scale force usage; possibly universal scale). For years Palpatine was able to cloud the minds of the entire jedi order (galactic scale). Also through the use of a ritual, Palpatine was able to manipulate the emotions of possibly every force user in the galaxy (I say "possibly every force user" because the Sithisis comic shows Padme grabbing at her stomache, implying that even her unborn twins were affected by the ritual, as were some of the younglings who weren't even participating in the war. Either way it's an impressive feat and another galactic scale one). His TK feats include: easily bringing down part of a ceiling, casually ripping senate pods from their restraints, ragdolling a powerful individual such as Darth Maul (according to Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy), etc...
Also, I think the gauntlet makes sense.
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Last edited by Dominis on Nov 24th, 2012 at 05:20 AM
No detailed lightsaber feats known as of yet. However, his command of the Force is at such a level that he doesn't feels the need to use one.
No, Bane was serious. He couldn't afford to pass on his legacy to an individual who would not be his match.
These comments give a hint:
"I have surpassed you, Bane. Now I am the Master." (Zannah)
"Then prove it." (Bane)
Zannah did not match Bane in raw power but made-up for her weakness with her command of Sith Sorcery. She proved to be better in taking advantage of the dark side nexus. Still I acknowledge that she may not be able to defeat Bane in evey given situation or region. Bane with Orbalisks would be specially interesting to consider.
If Luke uses Foldspace, he will be out of the picture? No.
As an example, Revan (apparently) used this ability to escape from a Sith Strike Team.
Absolutely possible. Yes, Sidious doesn't have home-field advantage here.
He broke Revan and Malak simultaneously very quickly during his first encounter with these two.
Revan, later on, managed to safe himself due to his special/unique abilities that he developed with passage of time. Revan' command of the Force is no joke. Some people underestimate this guy without logical basis.
Vitiate has broken even the most ardent of the Jedi. Luke is in for a surprise here.
Also, 8000 force-wielders is a figure not to overlook.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Nov 24th, 2012 at 06:55 PM
If the gauntlet is reverse-ordered, Plagueis should come before Bane, Caedus, and Vitiate (who should follow in that order). Kun's placement vis a vis Vitiate would be interesting, alas Stealth Moose is AWOL.
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What a spiteful thing to say. We're not friends anymore. Good day, sr.
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If Palpatine catches Luke offguard, he might be able to stop Luke. This IS DE Sidious. If Sidious can blitz Luke and overwhelm him, Palpatine wins. Even if he DOES fall, Luke would be exhausted and Bane finishes Luke off.
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