Darth Maul vs Kylo Ren: Kylo, just a far more interesting character. Maul was a quiet, cool looking villain and that's about it. I preferred Maul's saberstaff.
Qui-Gon Jinn vs Han Solo (TFA): Qui-Gon if you take the rest of the movies into account.
Queen Amidala vs General Leia (TFA): Padme. She convinced the Gungans to help them against the droid army.
R2D2 (TPM) vs BB-8: R2. He's just too iconic. I really enjoyed BB8, though.
Story vs Story: TFA
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The problem with, TPM is that everyone expected a certain story to have been told which wasn't. "Yes...,great chances were taken but it was still..,made to be a marketable product". Rather than story that was never meant to be successful before marketable. That's the same way i felt after watching episode7. Although, i have hope the future installments will fill in the many blanks. Until, then.i paid to watch a really cool remembrance of the...,"original, trilogy".
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Rey. Obi-Wan only really came into his own as a character in Attack of the Clones IMO. He seemed a bit generic compared to how fleshed out Rey was in TFA.
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Poe was more enjoyable not only as a pilot, but as a character overall.
Kylo. Maul had a cool design and everything, but so did Kylo. And Kylo, being a main character, was a lot more fleshed out in TFA than Maul was in TPM.
In terms of the narrative, Qui-Gon's death has had a bigger impact so far in the long run, but we have yet to fully see how Solo's death affects everyone, including Kylo. At the time, Solo's death definitely evoked a much greater emotional response though.
Padme here. Leia did very little, other than hug a girl she shouldn't even know.
R2D2 remains the classic.
The Phantom Menace put me off from Star Wars, where as The Force Awakens got me interested again, so this one obviously goes to TFA.
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Obi-Wan was not a protagonist: he didn't do anything and he had no arc. Rey had a small arc, but was not boring. TPM OB1 was.
Finn outshines JarJar in every way.
Poe was the better pilot. Anakin was no pilot did everything by sheer luck. Very silly pilot that little kid.
Darth Maul was just a dog, all make-up no content. Kylo Ren is a real character.
Han Solo's death and more impact. In case of QGJ I didn't quite get why they were fighting and why he died. QGJ's death was very random.
R2D2 in TPM was quite obsolete and forced in. BB-8 was awesome.
TPM Story: hardly there, totally incomprehensible: no protagonist and what the antagonist is trying to do is totally unclear (as in: what what the blockade supposed to achieve, what was the treaty for, was it always Sidious' plan that Amidala escaped so she could depose Valorum, was it always his plan that they'd capture the viceroy etc etc) - the weirdest incoherent sequence of events I ever say in a movie.
TFA: not a very original but it worked. So TFA clearly rules.
This is the weirdest category since OB1 isn't really the main protagonist imo. Qui-Gon and Padme are. As it stands, his arc is perfectly serviceable. Rey is unquestionably the main character but...well she's not a Mary Sue but her ability to do whatever the plot actively needs her to do at the moment gets grating and her arc needed to go through a few rewrites. On the flipside, she gets bonus points for being a lady lead in a blockbuster picture. The biggest upside to TFA doing so well is that maybe Hollywood will finally start letting more actresses take center stage in action stories. Overall...kind of a tie to me, maybe leaning towards Rey.
In theory, both have rather okay character arcs. In practice, Finn is a lot more enjoyable, even if the ending of the film does give you the middle finger for being invested in him.
Well I mean Poe is obviously the better pilot but that's because Anakin's antics are supposed to be comical to an extent. He accidentally blew up a space station. He also has far more interesting character moments than people give him credit. It's weird how the "Maul is a tool-Kylo Ren is a character" logic doesn't seem to apply here. Anakin is simply a better character due to having material to work with besides being a good pilot.
Lightsaber's are a tie. Were I in the world of Star Wars, I'd like a sword like Ren's because it feels more knightly and I like it. But Maul's is more over the top awesome and makes for the more fun toy.
As for character, Maul of course. He obviously believes himself to be part of something grand and epic but it is clear by the end that Palpatine was utterly indifferent to what happened to him. It's subtle but it works as a good foil to OB1 and Qui-Gon. Also helps that for being a villain that doesn't get much to do that EU material and even the Clone Wars cartoon kept trying to use him. He's also just iconic looking.
Kylo Ren....well it is obvious what they're doing with him. They're making a villain who is pathetic to show how pathetic falling to the Dark side really is. But...I just don't feel it. He doesn't feel threatening because not a single hero hesitates to back talk/fight him, even one like Finn. Hell even the Stormtroopers just sort of ignore him when he gets pissed. While he is certainly pathetic, he doesn't provide enough of a threat for me to take him seriously as a villain like other pathetic villains(Light Yagami, Zhao, and even Anakin). For the guy who killed Han Solo, I don't really hate him. I just want him to leave.
Qui-Gon rather easily. Without him who knows what would have happened to Naboo. He helped bring peace to two species that didn't like each other and his death makes the dynamic between OB1 and Anakin more tragic. It was OB1's first student and he failed so spectacularly. It worked as a stand alone death and helped make the overall story more fun.
Han's death only has so much impact because Han has 3 movies behind him and honestly I don't miss him. The guy became a loser later on in life and was a garbage parent who put more emphasis on finding an old spaceship than his kid. That's just me though.
Padme? For actually being involved in the plot instead of just sending a couple people to do things for her. Leia was more active as a princess than a general, which is hilarious.
Artoo kept the cast from dying and is his usual charming Artoo self. BB-8 is fun but can't really affect the plot in really meaningful ways. He's mostly just the droid with the map whenever he's needed to do stuff.
TPM has a more original/interesting story for Star Wars but TFA tells it's story better. Normally I'd give the nod to the one that takes more chances, which would be TPM, but because of the unfortunate implications regarding racial stereotypes in the various aliens. While I personally never saw them as a kid, my experience as a kid doesn't reflect all kids and a movie should never run the risk of making a party seem unwelcome, especially something as nice as Star Wars.
It's honestly kind of blowing my mind reading all of that as your serious opinion.
Also I feel like comparing Amidala and Leia is kind of dumb since they have completely different roles. Amidala is supposed to be one of the lead characters on par with Leia in ANH. While General Leia is more like Dondonna or Mon Mothma.
There are a number of comparisons that don't work. Padme and Qui-Gon are the main characters, not Obi-Wan really, but they also aren't really comparable to Rey.
Yeah, Obi-Wan is practically a non-entity in TPM. He trails behind Qui-Gon who does all the talking, then he stays on the ship through all of Tatooine and then goes back to following Qui-Gon around until he dies and he has to fight Maul.
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