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Windu & Yoda vs Tyranus & Sidious

Clone Wars era, canon feats only, fight takes place in the Geonosian arena, which team wins?

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Windu and Yoda imo.


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Tyranus is the weak link.

Windu already beat Sidious and by extension should crush Dooku.

Yoda already shown he is Dooku's Superior, and IMO given more time would have beaten Sidious (good, good... let the hate flow through you...).


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going to have to disagree here, this is the top four guys from this period of time, which is why I picked them for this fight...as even as it gets. But Dooku was shown to be able to hold his own with Yoda, Yoda is more powerful than Windu, Sidious threw his fight against Mace and stalemated Yoda so I think Windu is the weak link here, even if you don't believe that Palpatine threw the fight, they only reason given that he may have lost is because of the slippery floor once the window was shattered in the senate office, on solid ground in an arena Mace has no chance against Sidious and I think Tyranus could beat him as well seeing how well he did against Yoda.

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Team 1 with relative ease

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Team 1 with relative ease


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Tyranus is the weak link.

Windu already beat Sidious and by extension should crush Dooku.

Yoda already shown he is Dooku's Superior, and IMO given more time would have beaten Sidious (good, good... let the hate flow through you...).


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Really this is not an easy win. This will be a hard fight. Mace beating Sidious is show of what a mix of Vaapad and the environment can give you. However this is an open arena. Now with that said I shall analyze.

Dooku vs Windu... A hard battle to judge. I would say that after a hard fought battle I woudl say Dooku. In my view his command or at least knowledge of the force is greater than Windu's. As duelist I would have to go with Dooku with a 6/10 win. He's more experienced than Windu and demonstrates better force powers than Windu. Dooku was able to contend with Yoda witthout the need of a special style. So I personally Dooku winning their battle however very close.

Sidious vs Yoda. Ok being on neutral ground I don't see much of a difference. It's going to come down to there force powers everytime and they are perfect stalemates as neither was able to overpower the other. Really it's to close to call I woudl say Sidious takes it 6/10 if I had to say a winner.

Sith team win.


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Well... this wouldn't be the first time you were wrong about star wars vs matches

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Team 1 wins, but there will be nothing easy about it.

The only way it may seem easy is if Yoda engages Dooku while Mace engages Sidious. Windu should last long enough against Sidious for Yoda to beat Dooku and help Mace double team Sidious.

But even in that scenario, there's the risk of Dooku lasting out longer than expected and Windu losing to Sidious. And yes KT, Windu would lose a majority to Sidious. He's simply outmatched in Force Powers, especially in an Open Environment like this one.

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It also hinders the sith tbh, the open arena, what in the environment can they actually use to their advantage? It's not like in the senate where Palpatine could use the pods to his advantage. But then again I'm not that familiar with the layout of the arena.


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Team 1 wins, but there will be nothing easy about it.

The only way it may seem easy is if Yoda engages Dooku while Mace engages Sidious. Windu should last long enough against Sidious for Yoda to beat Dooku and help Mace double team Sidious.

But even in that scenario, there's the risk of Dooku lasting out longer than expected and Windu losing to Sidious. And yes KT, Windu would lose a majority to Sidious. He's simply outmatched in Force Powers, especially in an Open Environment like this one.


Ultimately you have the right team winning. I envisioned it being relatively easy with Yoda engaging Dooku and beating him before Sids beats Mace.

Also, I'll leave alone your summary of Sids vs. Mace, suffice to say, canon is on my side.

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Ultimately you have the right team winning. I envisioned it being relatively easy with Yoda engaging Dooku and beating him before Sids beats Mace.



Fair enough.

Just think you're underestimating how long Dooku can last if he fights defensively in Sabers. But then I suppose Yoda could just start attacking him with TK.


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Also, I'll leave alone your summary of Sids vs. Mace, suffice to say, canon is on my side.



There's a lot more to Canon than just that 1 fight where Mace happened to come out on top.


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It also hinders the sith tbh, the open arena, what in the environment can they actually use to their advantage? It's not like in the senate where Palpatine could use the pods to his advantage. But then again I'm not that familiar with the layout of the arena.



Dooku could use a lot of room to give ground if he ends up being on the defensive (which he probably will against either opponent).

And Palpatine's not going to lose his Saber through a window. Plus in an open environment, it's easy for him to keep his distance and turn this into more of a Force fight.

Remember Sidous never actually hit Yoda with a Senate Pod. He beat him by keeping his distance and turning it into a Force fight.

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Well... this wouldn't be the first time you were wrong about star wars vs matches


Wouldn't be the first time you automatically take your answer to be the right one considering this is more of an opinion battle. It's way to close to call as both Yoda and Sidious are extremely close, and Dooku and Windu extremely close. So really there is no right team winning unless canonically stated that one of these opponents woudl beat the other. So it's all your opinion not law.


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Jedi win.

Windu > Dooku
Yoda = Sidious

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and IMO given more time would have beaten Sidious


Nah. Sidious won that fight, though I'd say that the two are dead equals.

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There's a lot more to Canon than just that 1 fight where Mace happened to come out on top.


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This battle seems more of a complete stalemate to me. I don't see how either team would win. Sidious and Yoda are compete equals same with Dooku and Windu. The Sidious vs Windu battle Mace did happen to have Vaapad to a certain degree of power that he wouldn't have in this match( unless mace still has all the inner darkness he had right as he fought Sidious which I find unlikely for this matchup). Dooku was able to go toe to toe with Yoda without that, someone to be on Sidious level. The only way I see anyone winning is if someone wins the Windu vs Dooku battle helps out their master, and that I see the victor being Dooku.

Yoda vs Sidious. Really the lightsaber duel, even if it goes to Yoda, the force battle wouldn't as neither was actually able to gain the complete upper hand in that battle.


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