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ghostman
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Is the HOTU canon??

if so, please post proof. i know this is not a battle, but this is the only place where the more experienced comic readers go so please dont close mods.

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Dec 23rd, 2015 02:19 AM

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Astner
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There's no clear answer.

The event is referenced in the Thanos series (2008) and Thanos: The Infinity Revelation series (2014), both of which are canonical. So it should be canon.

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Thanos #1

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Infinity Revelation: A literal account of what happened in Marvel: The End.

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But Tom denies it.

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Dec 23rd, 2015 07:33 AM

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Adam Grimes
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This topic pops up every week, BeyonderGhostman.

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Dec 23rd, 2015 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Astner
There's no clear answer.

The event is referenced in the Thanos series (2008) and Thanos: The Infinity Revelation series (2014), both of which are canonical. So it should be canon.

But Tom denies it.

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dude thanks!!!! ill take that as a yes. smokin'

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:03 AM

DarkSaint85
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How much do you think Thanos weighs?

54kg?

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ghostman
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How much do you think Thanos weighs?

54kg?

well thor is like 600 pounds so around three thousand and fifty.

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:08 AM

DarkSaint85
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Ouch. That sounds more like Pip in weight, tbh. But then, Pip isn't 5'10.

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:11 AM

Astner
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What do you think Pip's net worth is?

Dec 23rd, 2015 09:13 AM

Mr Master
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Re: Is the HOTU canon??

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Originally posted by ghostman

if so, please post proof.

Thanos absorbed everything while standing withIN the 616 Universe:

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"You & Gamora were outside This Reality,
tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"

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Atleza is the Cosmic Anchor of the Universe Thnaos was standing in.

Now, what Universe does Atleza Anchor?

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Atleza

History: ... A succession of beings
have secured Earth-616's Reality's proper place within the cosmic vortex...

Occupation: Anchor of Earth-616's Reality.

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Thanos 616 and his involvement in Marvel: The End:

THOTI and all that jazz:

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(official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - Thanos bio)

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Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos (coming to Handbooks this year)

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

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Continues below ...

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:14 AM

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Mr Master
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(Marvel: The End #6)

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Now .... 616 Thanos, in 616 Thanos' own 616 series,
explaining exactly what happened to him right above:

(Thanos #1)

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The artist even goes out of his way to make the scenes identical.

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Thanos literally mentions the Heart of the Infinite in his 616 series:

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Thanos #1

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Just like Thanos recounted key moments of his 616 experiences during the End:

Marvel: The End #5

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Infinity Revelation: A literal account of what happened in Marvel: The End.

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When ol "Tommy" commands one of his writers to make a retcon
and it's illustrated On Panel, and hopefully backed by bios,
then we'll say it's anything other than 100% canon!

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DarkSaint85
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Hard to say. He doesn't seem to have much in the way of assets - perhaps his IP is monetisable? If only he had a way of selling that, in the form of a web presence...

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:15 AM

Mr Master
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Excerpt is from the Marvel Handbooks: Akhenaten bio - 2006.

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Reality 4321, is one of 616 Past Timelines, the year 1334:

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4321 was depicted in Marvel: The End in a few panels in issue 1 - 3,
when flashbacks on Akhenaten's history was explained,
also when Doom went there via Time Machine,
and when Thanos stomped him in that Past Timeline.

4321 concerns Akhenaten's origin in specific,

HE came from Reality 4321, not the Arc itself.

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Doom uses his Time Machine to reach the Timeline Aknehaten is from (4321)

(these links below further strengthen this Fact/Truth)

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But in plain english as well:

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"I depart the Present" (616) "and return to when Aknehaten was but a mere Mortal" (year 1334)

(in reality 4321 which is a Past Timeline of the 616 Reality)

That's right!

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"Traveling through Time"

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Here Akhenaten guards his mortal form in Reality 4321 (a Past Timeline of 616)

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"Did you believe I would leave my Past unguarded"

"And so History continued unchanged, under the watchful eye of it's dark guardian"

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:15 AM

Mr Master
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A plethora of Handbooks referencing Marvel the End.

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From Thanos' 2003 mini:
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From Thanos' 2006 OHOTMU bio:
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From Eternity's 2006 OHOTMU bio:
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From Living Tribunal's 2006 OHOTMU bio:
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From Inifnity's 2006 OHOTMU bio:
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From Master Order & Lord Chaos' 2007 OHOTMU bio:
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From the 2010 Thanos Sourcebook:
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*Everything pertinent from the bios is outlined in red.

... props to Galan007 on these Handbook scans ...

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Dec 23rd, 2015 09:15 AM

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Yeah it's canon. So many references in canon books.

Everyone points to what Tom B said, yet in the same session he said it was canon.

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been debated MANY times. this is the longest and most complete one at the time. don't know that anything has changed. except many of the links are broken....

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t431793.html

oh, and this will be moved....

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