Peter's just as good as Falcon in the air, and between his jet boots and Rocket's jetpack he's fast enough to reach orbit in a few seconds. Plus his guns are pretty accurate and much easier to hit targets than with Falcon's twin machine pistols.
I'd give Pete the edge, unless Falcon kicks him while they're flying.
Starlords blasters had a good feat against EGO's "human body" when he got pissed off. That would end Falcon really quickly.
And Falcons "tech" is pretty primitive compared to what Peter has encountered in space.
Well in "theory" space tech should always be better. But then the Iron Man armour is Earth built armour so... feats count more methinks.
Falcon seems more agile in the air to me. It's hard hitting that's guy once he's flying. And he had some nice fire power in Civil War on top of pretty durable wings which at least protect him from bullets.
Doesn't really matter if Peter's guns are more powerful than Falcons, fact is Peter can still be killed by Falcon's arsenal... at least until shown otherwise. And Falcon has remote targeting missiles plus bullet proof wings that he uses to shield himself. In a pure gunfight Falcon should win, it just depends on what constitutes as Peter's standard gear because he had some pretty funky gadgets in GotG1.
And Falcon can be killed by Peter's. His guns punch through starship metal and Kree armor like nothing. Even a random gun Rocket pickd up in GotG 2 was punching clean through reinforced doors and walls to hit the mutineers.
It's also been mentioned how his main guns blew Ego to pieces.
His guns are far more powerful than the small arms fire Falcon used his wings to block.
Technically there's no real proof that Quill's guns can get through Falcon's wings. But even if they can, that just puts them in the same boat where neither opponent can block each other's shots. Except Falcon still has the advantage of homing missiles, red wing, assisted aiming technology, some degree of armor, faster gun fire, better flying agility and better displayed melee combat.
I'm not sure about the better flying agility or melee skill. Star-Lord was dodging fire from dozens of Sovereign ships during flight towards the end of GotG vol. 2, and was doing a decent job of tussling with Gamora without instantly getting destroyed in vol. 1, which is a melee feat beyond anything Falcon has done. Plus, he has those magnetic traps, energy bola etc. And he is naturally more durable than Sam, which would compensate for the armour. He routinely scuffles with aliens, who are tougher than humans, and took a multi-storey drop without any issues in vol. 1, while chasing Gamora. IIRC, he also took a hit or two from the Abilisk (the big, tough tentacle monster) they fought at the beginning of vol. 2 without being hurt. Both are extremely agile fliers. Both are tougher than unarmoured humans. Falcon has more firepower, but Star-Lord has more exotic toys. I find it hard to pick a winner here.
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Falcon has tussled with IM and Warmachine in the air and even got the advantage. That's a better flying skill/agility feat than Starlord going up against the Sovereign ships. Because unlike those Sovereign ships, IM and Warmachine can at least hit stuff when they aim. Plus IM and Warmachine have better demonstrated strength and durability feats than any of those aliens, including Gamora. Granted, Falcon didn't go h2h with them for too long but the fact that they weren't completely able to overpower him in the air is still telling.
He spent pretty much all his time running away from them, and even needed Hawkeye and Ant-Man to get Tony off his back the one time. And I don't recall either of them using anything more than repulsors on him, which have a far slower rate of fire than either Peter's guns or the Sovereign ships. And he didn't go proper H2H with either of them. Closest to H2H was when he cheapshot kicked Tony while he was looking at Giant-Man, who had just grabbed Rhodey. At no point during the airport fight does he engage either of them in extended H2H. I just don't see a very big gap in their flight agility.
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You really think Quill can do the same aerial spin kicks that Falcon does or his usual "curl into a ball and drop altitude only to open wings and gain altitude" and do them just as gracefully?
You think Quill would faired just as well against Antman in a h2h fight?
Here's a compilation of Falcon's fight scenes. I don't see Quill being able to pull off majority of the moves in this video: https://youtu.be/gfNEwhPxeGM
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Unfortunately, there are no proper clips of GotG 2 on youtube just yet, but Quill was bobbing, ducking and dodging fire from all sides during the final battle. And Peter doesn't need to do a lot of the wing maneuvers, as his flight gear is much more streamlined. Just because he doesn't pull off the exact same moves doesn't change the end result. He doesn't need to do any rolls or other moves to make those stops/changes in direction. Also, Falcon's wings are two enormous targets for Quill to aim at, unlike his own boots and pack. And considering that Quill's guns have been shown to have a much greater damage output than the bullets Sam's wings have blocked, there is no proof that his wings would be able to withstand even a single shot. After all, the Judas bullets in Luke Cage, as well as various film/tv feats featuring Asgardian metals, have shown us how Earth-based materials compare to space/alien materials.
Peter also dodged a near pointblank shot from Korath's energy rifle at the beginning of the first film (without even using flight). And, in terms of durability, later in the film got flung around by Korath without being hurt (and Korath displayed superhuman strength). Also, Star-lord could potentially pin Falcon in place using one of those mines he employed against Korath's men in the first film. Peter is also a very adaptable combatant, as shown in instances like when he stuck one of those rocket propulsion units on Gamora's leg and then remotely sent her flying during their GotG 1 scuffle.
Falcon could win this. But I can see Star-lord pulling it off as well.
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He has his gadgets for this fight. Hence why I mentioned melee skill, not necessarily pure H2H. He was not looking for a fight at that point. He was trying to sell the power stone. So, that was just part of the stuff he carried on him i.e. part of his standard gear.
After all, without his own tech/gadgets, Sam literally didn't even last a full 5 seconds against Winter Soldier, and also got his ass kicked by Rumlow.
On a random note, damn, I forgot about some of those strength feats for Gamora. Being able to muscle out of Groot's vines is pretty damn impressive, considering similar vines were able to lift like a dozen men off the ground and casually ragdoll them.
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Last edited by TheVaultDweller on May 17th, 2017 at 06:58 AM
And to answer the Ant-Man question. Yes, if Peter had a similar means of tracking tiny Scott, I could see him doing just as well, if not better, seeing as he isn't above being a d*** in a fight. Not that Sam being able to track tiny opponents will matter much here, considering both he and Peter are normal size. What Peter will have to watch out for is Redwing IMO. It has decent range, can fire bullets and small rockets, and operate remotely at considerable range from Falcon. So, even if Peter used that weird magnet trap on Sam, Falcon could still potentially use Redwing to attack him, like he did with Spiderman.
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